Episode 41: Our Skincare Picks Under $50

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Get your skin checked!

Our founder Kate joins us to chat about her recent skin check that resulted in a suspected skin cancer being cut out of the middle of her face - luckily, it came back clear, but this is a reminder to be vigilant about having your skin checked regularly.

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When the bougie bitches go bargain!

We challenged ourselves to put together a skincare routine each, and all the products have to be under $50.

Jo's routine (for dry, dehydrated, sensitive skin):

Cleanser: La Roche-Posay Toleriane Caring Wash Cleanser [$27.95]

Serums: Alpha-H Vitamin E 25ml [$42.46],

The Ordinary Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% [$9.90]

The Ordinary Lactic Acid 10% + HA [$12.70]

The Ordinary Marine Hyaluronics [$12.90]

Moisturiser: La Roche-Posay Toleriane Ultra Sensitive Moisturiser [$41.95]

Eye Cream: innisfree Green Tea Seed Eye & Face Ball 10ml [$30]

SPF: La Roche-Posay Anthelios XL Ultra-Light Fluid Facial Sunscreen [$29.95]

Hannah’s routine (for oily, combination, congestion-prone skin)

Cleanser: Bioderma Sensibio H2O Micelle Solution 500ml [$29.99]

LRP Effaclar Micro Peeling Cleanser [$29.95]

Exfoliant: Dermalogica Clear Start Flashfoliant [$41]

Recommendation from a listener: Pixi Glow Tonic 100ml [$25]

Serums: 

The Ordinary Granactive Retinoid Emulsion 2% [$17.90]

NIOD Multi Molecular Hyaluronic Complex [$50]

Skinstitut Even Blend Serum [$36.02 reduced from $49]

Bioderma Sebium Pore Refiner [$36.99]

Moisturiser

For antioxidant protection with niacinamide, plus it’s a gel for oily skin types: innisfree Cherry Blossom Jelly Cream [$36]

SPF: La Roche-Posay Anthelios XL Ultra-Light Fluid Facial Sunscreen [$29.95] 

Eye Cream: Pixi DetoxifEYE Depuffing Eye Patches 30 pairs [$46 for 30 pairs]

Lash serum: L'Oreal Paris Clinically Proven Lash Serum [$29.95]

Products we didn't know we needed:

Jo: Narciso Rodriguez for her EDP pure musc 20ml

Hannah: Kérastase Discipline Bain Fluidealiste 2 Shampoo + Kérastase Discipline Maskeratine Masque

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Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst

Guests: Kate Morris

Our founder Kate joins us to chat about her recent skin check. Plus! We challenged ourselves to put together a skincare routine under $50

Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 41 Transcript - 'Our Skincare Picks Under $50'

 

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody, to Beauty IQ the podcast.

Joanna Flemming:
I'm your host, Joanna Flemming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your cohost, Hannah Furst. So Jo, who is the lazy one this week?

Joanna Flemming:
Excuse me?

Hannah Furst:
Well, you did you take a long weekend?

Joanna Flemming:
I took a long weekend, but also I had the other stuff prepared prior to me going on leave.

Hannah Furst:
I know, I know. You did, you did.

Joanna Flemming:
So, sorry for one time I haven't put my product in, I didn't know I needed it in yet.

Hannah Furst:
You're going to have to come up with something by the time we finish recording.

Joanna Flemming:
I will, I'll have a think while we're recording.

Hannah Furst:
So, we started talking about our updates on our dating lives. I said I was going on a date this week, and whenever I say that, Jo is silent. And the reason she's silent is because she refuses to give me any dating advice based on a past experience that I had and blamed her for. So, back in the days when we were in the office, I was on Hinge and I was like, I'd matched with this guy, and he asked me for a drink and I was like, ah, I can just tell, I'm getting the vibe that we're not going to connect. And Jo was like, "Hannah, you have to go. You have to go. Give him a chance, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Joanna Flemming:
I think my words were, "He could be the one and you're not going to go."

Hannah Furst:
Yes. Yes. And I literally took that. I was like, "Oh, that's really true."

Joanna Flemming:
Which is ridiculous advice from me-

Hannah Furst:
Ridiculous.

Joanna Flemming:
... because I would totally bail.

Hannah Furst:
And so I didn't bail, even though I wanted to. And I just want to preface this by saying that dating, when you're not compatible, it's really obvious because you start to question, is it me, is it them? But really it's us. It's us on the date that we're not vibing. So, I turn up on the date and then he came and he was like, I don't even know. What's an analogy? There was just nothing. It was like we were both dead inside and we literally could not communicate properly, it was so bad. And so, and I could tell-

Joanna Flemming:
I'm cringing.

Hannah Furst:
It wasn't just me, it was him too. I could tell he was hating life, and I was as well. And so, I think, I stayed for one drink and I could just tell it was going- [crosstalk 00:02:05]

Joanna Flemming:
Hannah, you stayed for 20 minutes.

Hannah Furst:
I stayed for a drink. I drank my drink pretty quickly.

Joanna Flemming:
In 20 minutes.

Hannah Furst:
I didn't do a ghosting. I just was like, "Hey ..." It was Friday. I'm like, "Oh, I've just had a really big week, and I'm not feeling well."

Joanna Flemming:
That's kind of ghosting.

Hannah Furst:
No, no, no, but he was relieved, Jo, I could tell.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, okay.

Hannah Furst:
He was so happy that the-

Joanna Flemming:
That you bailed.

Hannah Furst:
... torture was over. Oh no, it was torture, the whole thing. We were both just like, how are we going to end this? Anyway, I got in the car, I got in an Uber, I think, and I messaged you and I was like, "Never again," and I didn't go on a date for months.

Joanna Flemming:
I felt really bad about it. That was my fault. I'll take that.

Hannah Furst:
But this is the thing that I need to do more of those dates, because that shows that you're going on more dates. And there's more chance of you meeting someone.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, it just puts herself out there, and maybe you'll learn a thing or two about what you do and don't want, for example, you don't want a boring guy that you don't vibe with.

Hannah Furst:
So, I want to say, "Correction, he wasn't boring." There was just nothing there. I said to myself, I'm like, am I boring? I couldn't make conversation.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. I feel like that's the tricky part with dating is that it really messes with self confidence-

Hannah Furst:
Yes. Yes.

Joanna Flemming:
... and just, even if you're a confident person, it just makes you second guess yourself.

Hannah Furst:
Do you remember, because that was the week that the podcast went to number one, and I was on cloud nine.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, was it?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh.

Hannah Furst:
So, I really should have been celebrating. Yeah, I know.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, that was ages ago.

Hannah Furst:
I actually got in an Uber and went and met friends at a bar, back in the days when you could go to bars.

Joanna Flemming:
When you could do that. Yeah, I remember those days.

Hannah Furst:
I don't remember those days, it feels like a lifetime ago.

Joanna Flemming:
Me neither, really. Anyway, what's on today's episode, Hannah, since you're the organized one?

Hannah Furst:
I am the organized one. So, on today's episode we have, I wouldn't call it a cringey convo this week, I think, it's more of a serious convo-

Joanna Flemming:
An awareness convo.

Hannah Furst:
We've got our founder, Kate Morris, coming to join us to talk about skin checks.

Joanna Flemming:
And then we challenge ourselves to pick skincare products under $50. So, this is a self challenge between Hannah and I to pick products that are not ultra bougie, but they're affordable, they're bargain, they're great, and they're our products we didn't know we needed.

Hannah Furst:
Great. The bougie bitches go bargain. I love that. Jo's written a note here, "When the bougie bitches go bargain." I was like, where-

Joanna Flemming:
That was an internal reference.

Hannah Furst:
... are you going to insert that into the conversation-

Joanna Flemming:
That was just for us to know what it was about.

Hannah Furst:
... in a really casual way? So, when the bougie bitches go bargain.

Joanna Flemming:
All right, we're on. Welcome Kate, to your first cringey convo. We know that we've had you on here before to talk about other things, but today you're on a cringey convo which is a little bit different, but you actually came to us with this cringey convo.

Kate Morris:
Well, I don't even know if it's strictly a cringey convo, or more of just like a scary story, but yes, it was skin related, and so I thought, well ...

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I think it's more cringey because a lot of people put this stuff off.

Kate Morris:
Yep.

Joanna Flemming:
And then when it gets to the point of doing what you had to do, then it becomes cringey because then it's like, oh (beep), I should have done that a while ago, and I've made a mistake. So, tell us about your experience.

Kate Morris:
So, I'd made an appointment with the dermatologist, which I'd been meaning to do for ages because, I don't know if you guys know this or whether we covered this in the pregnancy episode, but one of the weird things, weird side effects of being pregnant, is sometimes you get these weird skin tags, and I'd had a few moles that had gone all lumpy and bumpy, and looked a bit more skin taggy. And I was pretty sure there wasn't anything wrong with them, but I thought, you know what? I'm going to go and get them removed. And the dermatologist had looked at them previously, he said, "Oh yeah, I can just slice those right off," and I was like, "Okay, that sounds fun. Let's go and do that." And so I'd finally organized, because and then it got put off a bunch of times because of COVID, and then it was like, all right, now I can finally go in and get this done.

Kate Morris:
And so there's me, sitting in the dermatologist procedure room, and I had to put one of those paper gowns on because I'd had one behind my shoulder, and one on the back of my leg and they said, "Oh yeah, it's just easier if you're in this paper gown." So I'm in a paper gown, freezing my butt off, getting ready to have bits of my body sliced off, and the dermatologist came in and I said, "Oh look, while you're here ..." and because I thought, well, it's expensive going to the dermatologist, and I thought, well, may as well try and get a bit more bang for buck.

Kate Morris:
And I said, "Look, while you're here, can you actually just have a look at this spot on my cheek?" I'd had this weird red bump on my cheek that looked like a pimple, but I'd tried squeezing it, and even though I know you shouldn't. And it didn't have anything in it and so, it wasn't really a pimple, but it was just taking ages to go away. And it just stayed this red patch, and then ended up in a smaller little raised patch of bumps, and I'd had it for, I don't know, two or three weeks. I said, "Oh, could you just have a look at this?" And he's got his goggles on, and he has a peer through and he goes, "I don't like the look of that. I reckon that could be a skin cancer." And I went "What? Oh. Okay." I said, "I thought it was just maybe rosacea or something." He goes, "Might be." He goes, "But I can't really tell and so I think I'm going to take a biopsy,"-

Joanna Flemming:
Wow.

Kate Morris:
... and I went, "Oh, okay." And so then he takes this little scalpel and slices off a piece of my face, and I'm just freaking out. And he's, puts it in the little testing tube and he goes, "That's all right, should have results in three or four days." And so here's me with this dressing the size of a 50 cent piece so, a decent sized dressing smack in the middle of my face. And I was feeling a little bit self conscious and going, "Oh my God, what if I've got a skin cancer that has to be cut out, right in the middle of my face?"

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Kate Morris:
So, both my parents have quite fair skin like me, and they've both actually had to have quite decent-sized skin cancers removed. So, my mom's had to have a bit cut out the side of her nose. My dad's had half the top of his head cut off and had to be replaced with thigh skin, and I'm just going, oh my God, I'm only 42.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Kate Morris:
And this is extremely unfair given that I've been wearing sunscreen daily for the last 25 years, I thought, I am going to be really pissed if this is a skin cancer in the middle of my face. And I mean, cut a long story short, I got the results and everything was fine. And they said, "Oh no, it's just obviously some kind of dermatitis or whatever. Hold off on your actives around that area and just wait for it to heal." But had the dressing still on my face for a good week, and which means, I felt like I had to explain my face to everybody I met within that time, or every Zoom call I was on. "Oh yes, sorry about my face."

Joanna Flemming:
And that's also a scary process to know that you're waiting to hear back if you've got a skin cancer on your face.

Kate Morris:
That's it.

Hannah Furst:
Do you remember, Jo, when you got me to go and do that-

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, Jo scared me so much-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah sorry, I freaked you out.

Hannah Furst:
She completely freaked me out. I thought the same as you, Kate, I was like, it's a skin tag. I had just assumed that this little thing on my, it was on my neck. I had this thing and Jo's like, "No, that doesn't look like a skin tag." And I was like, "What? I've just assumed it was a skin tag this whole time."

Joanna Flemming:
It was only because you said that it was scabbing over, and then it was irritated, and I thought, oh, that doesn't sound okay.

Hannah Furst:
So, Dr. Jo said "You better get that checked," and I literally the same day, because I had just assumed for years it was a skin tag, I went straight to the mole check place in Fitzroy around the corner from work, and they did a little biopsy. It was fine, but I had just assumed it was a skin tag and they said, "No, it's a mole."

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, I may have been wrong with that one, Hannah. But I actually spotted a growth on the side of my dad's face. So, I sit next to my dad at the dinner table and I noticed this thing on his face months ago, right at the start of isolation. I was like, "Dad, you need to go to the doctor. You need to go and have that checked." I was on his back the last three months. He finally went to the doctor and got referred to a surgeon because I was like, "I think it might be a BCC," start of a little skin cancer or something, because he's 65 and that's fairly common. And he went to the surgeon and they said, "Yeah, it probably is. It might be. So, let's just take it out." I'm always on the lookout.

Kate Morris:
Oh look, you've got to have someone looking out for you, don't you?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Kate Morris:
No, it really freaked me out. It's all fine, but it just made me think, everybody's using skincare to make sure that they have beautiful skin, and whatever your aging plan is, whether you want to resist and go the Botox and the fillers, or whether you want to age gracefully, pick a path, it's fine. But with the sunscreen and hats, unless you want to have bits cut out of your face later, I reckon it's made me even anything, even more vigilant now. And admittedly, it's the middle of winter, and you know what? I don't care, I'm still putting my sunscreen on every day.

Hannah Furst:
I couldn't be more vigilant at the moment. If the sun touches my skin now without sunscreen, it really makes me nervous.

Joanna Flemming:
There'll be a lot of people listening that have never had a skin check either, and I think there comes a time where you're pushed to do that because of some reason, you hear that someone's had a skin check and they've had a skin cancer cut out, it's something that prompts you to go and have that done. So, I hope that this discussion for somebody makes them go and have a skin check that they probably really needed to have.

Kate Morris:
Absolutely, don't put it off.

Joanna Flemming:
Exactly. For me, it was Natalie Fornasier's story about her melanoma a few years ago, and that really pushed me into using sunscreen every single day. I'm on my friend's backs during summer, I'm like, "Do not go outside and sun-bake, that is just stupid. Don't do it."

Kate Morris:
Absolutely.

Joanna Flemming:
So, I'm really vigilant since hearing her story, that really drove home for me the importance of sun safety, and I hope that this discussion really prompts people. It's winter, go and have your skin check, go and have your moles mapped-

Hannah Furst:
And just make sure that you're-

Joanna Flemming:
You're being sensible about it, I think, because it really is dangerous. Especially here in Australia, we have such a high rate of skin cancer so, it really is important.

Kate Morris:
Yeah. Well, you just can't take any chances. Can you?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's your health at the end of the day, and also we care so much about our skin. And I'm sure all these people listening to us care about their skin.

Kate Morris:
Well, that's it, that's it. I was thinking, oh goodness, all the money I've spent on serums and all of this kind of thing, and yes, if you're going to end up with a chunk of your face cut out, kind of negates the effect doesn't it?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. Yep, exactly. Well, thank you so much for joining us and telling us this little story, Kate, I really hope that everyone's googling where they can get a skin check in their closest city right now-

Kate Morris:
That's it.

Joanna Flemming:
... but we appreciate you sharing it with us.

Kate Morris:
No worries.

Joanna Flemming:
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Hannah Furst:
So, if you're wondering how you can actually get a mole check, I've done it a couple of different ways. So, you can either go to your doctor and get a referral to a dermatologist, and your dermatologist can do a mole check for you. Another option is, I've done both of these, is you can go to a mole check clinic. So, I've been to the one in Fitzroy North, which was you don't require-

Joanna Flemming:
That was where I went, yep.

Hannah Furst:
Basically at the mole tech clinics, you don't need to get a referral. So you go in, you can get your moles mapped, or you can get suspicious looking moles checked, and they also do biopsies as well. So, I actually did that here in Fitzroy when I freaked out, and I didn't want to wait for the referral. I was just like, "I need to go and get it checked now."

Joanna Flemming:
Even if you think you're low risk, a mole can change quite quickly. And I'm actually a low risk because I don't go in the sun really, and I use sunscreen really regularly. So, the last time I went he was like, "Oh, you probably don't need to come back for three years." I was like, "No, I'll be back in 12 months."

Hannah Furst:
And also, it's really good to get the mole mapping done because they check basically, your whole body, and then they compare the current and past photographs of the moles on your body. Yeah, which is something that, I think, everyone should go out and do. I mean, it's just living in Australia is a whole other kettle of fish in terms of our skin cancer risk.

Joanna Flemming:
Totally.

Hannah Furst:
So, take a leaf out of mine, Kate, and Jo's book and be like, I'm very vigilant, overly vigilant.

Joanna Flemming:
All right.

Hannah Furst:
I wasn't, but I am now.

Hannah Furst:
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Joanna Flemming:
When the bougie bitches go bargain. So yes, we should make this-

Hannah Furst:
This is a new segment.

Joanna Flemming:
... a regular segment. So, we are challenging ourselves to pick a product from every category. So, cleanser, serum, moisturizer, and eye cream. Have you done other, I don't know what you've done?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I added a few little extra's so-

Joanna Flemming:
Okay, oh, what a treat.

Hannah Furst:
... yours is just a basic routine. So, I've got oily skin, blackheads, pores, blah, blah, blah, and also I like a side of anti aging.

Joanna Flemming:
I've got normal skin, but my routine that I'm going to be talking about is for dry, dehydrated and sensitive skins.

Hannah Furst:
Okay so, mine is for oily skin types.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. So, maybe I'll do mine first because I feel like mine's a bit more basic and you just went rogue and added some random things.

Hannah Furst:
I sure did.

Joanna Flemming:
So, the cleanser that I would choose is 27.95, it's the La Roche-Posay Toleriane Caring Wash Cleanser. So, this is a really gentle cleanser for sensitive skin, and I find that it's great for anyone that's prone to redness or sensitivity like myself. It helps to maintain the skin's natural barrier so, it helps to restore, and repair, and support that barrier. And it also maintains the pH level of the skin so, it just keeps it happy without disrupting anything. So, that's a really great cleanser. And then for my serums, I'm going for the Alpha-H Vitamin E, which is currently marked down at the time of this episode. So, I think it just comes in under the 50 bucks.

Hannah Furst:
And what the hell is, vitamin E, by the way?

Joanna Flemming:
So, vitamin E is an antioxidant, but it also helps with repair and just supporting the skin. So, it's a really nice product to use, especially if you've got an impaired barrier, or you're dry, or you're dehydrated, or sensitive, this is a great product for that. You can get it in the Vitamin Profiling Kit as well which is, I think, it's 99.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, which is $25 a serum so, that's actually-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, exactly. So, if you wanted to try the A, B, C and E, you can get the whole set and it's still pretty affordable. But if you wanted to just get the one serum, I would grab that one because it's just a really nice product. I put it on probably every second day at the moment, I think, I really, really like that one, and that's down to $42.46 at the moment so, I'm just scraping in there with that one. And then, of course, I couldn't go past a vitamin B so, I picked The Ordinary Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1%. As with everything in The Ordinary's range, it's so, so affordable. That's $9.90. So, if you don't know about niacinamide, I actually did a YouTube video on it so, I'd probably go and check that out because it explains the ins and outs of the ingredient and exactly what it does. But it really is versatile on all skin types, it's great for everybody. Hannah, you also really love niacinamide because it helps to balance oil production as well-

Hannah Furst:
Love niacinamide. Yep.

Joanna Flemming:
... but it's also just a really supportive ingredient. Again, everything in this routine, because it is for a more sensitive skin, or dry and dehydrated, it is something that's quite nourishing and reparative. And then for a little bit of exfoliation, because I couldn't not put something a little bit exfoliating in there, The Ordinary Lactic Acid 10% + HA, so nothing too crazy, but just something that will gently raise surfaces skin and clear away that build up of dead skin cells, without causing any disruption to the skin. So, that's $12.70, again, The Ordinary-

Hannah Furst:
I swapped to lactic acid because-

Joanna Flemming:
Have you?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, because James Vivian, when we went-

Joanna Flemming:
But you love acids.

Hannah Furst:
I know because when we got those, he said I had an impaired barrier, I thought I'd calm down on the glycolic, and just for a week, I swapped over to lactic. So, it's gentler.

Joanna Flemming:
It is gentler. Lactic acid is gentler than glycolic acid so, if you are more sensitive, but you still want to use an acid, you could try like lactic or mandelic. Mandelic's a little bit harder to find in a singular product, but the ordinary lactic acid is a good option. And it also comes in a 5% as well so, if you want to start off slowly, you could start with a 5% as well. And then the last serum I have on my list is, The Ordinary Marine Hyaluronics. I also really like their HA is a good option too. But for $12.90, I mean, all the other hyaluronic acids I use are over a hundred dollars. So, I had to pick one that was a little bit more affordable, but that would be up there with the affordable options that I would pick serum-wise.

Joanna Flemming:
And then moisturizer, I have already mentioned this as a product, you didn't know I needed. It's the La Roche-Posay Toleriane Ultra Sensitive Moisturizer. This is an awesome moisturizer for anybody with sensitive or reactive skin. I always use it when I've had a rosacea flare up. I've actually got it on today for no reason, my skin's fine at the moment, I just really like it. It doesn't have a scent or anything, it's just a really nice texture, it melts into the skin really easily, it doesn't sit on the surface. Makeup can go over the top of it fine, it's a really, really, really nice moisturizer, and that's 41.95.

Joanna Flemming:
And then lastly, I've got an eye cream and I picked the innisfree Green Tea Seed Eye & Face Ball. So, that's one of those eye rollers, you know the ones with the metal ball on the end? So, you could probably put that one in the fridge, to be honest, if you wanted to use it as a de-puffing situation. I was just saying to Hannah, that my dark circles have been really bad lately. So I am choosing the innisfree one, that's 30 bucks. So yeah, that's my full routine. Mine comes to $177.86.

Hannah Furst:
Wow, that is pretty good.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
You're more along the normal, sensitive, dry, and mine is definitely for oily, acne prone skin so, combination probably as well. So mine, it was really hard to choose a cleanser because I actually genuinely use the Bioderma Micellar Water, the big boy. It is 29.95. I actually couldn't do this segment without speaking about that Micellar Water, because I use it twice a day, every day. It is my-

Joanna Flemming:
Do you?

Hannah Furst:
It just gets all the oil and grime off my skin, I just love that. Just in terms of a cleanser, I have been using the La Roche-Posay Effaclar?

Joanna Flemming:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
... Micro Peeling Cleanser. So, this is a gel cleanser, it is formulated with salicylic acid so, it is perfect for oily skin types. I started using a salicylic acid cleanser months and months ago, and I find that that's really, really good for oil production, but also if you are prone to blackheads.

Joanna Flemming:
Well, that's a bargain for under 30 bucks.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah so, that one's 29.95. Another salicylic acid product, if you're going to just go with the gentle cleanser, but you still want to use some salicylic acid, is I've started using the Dermalogica Clear Start FlashFoliant. I love the name, FlashFoliant. So what's really good about this one, it is you actually leave it on and it's formulated also again, with salicylic acid, but it'll help to clear up breakouts, but also post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation. It'll help to fade any of those little dark marks that are left after pimples, which I get all the time. I've actually got a nice little breakout on my chin today so, I'll be using that one tonight. So that one's $41. But I actually had a recommendation from a listener who actually, this has come up a few times, people have messaged me about the Pixi Glow Tonic, which I've never used, but that one's only $25. That's a glycolic acid, so affordable, quite a lot of people recommend that.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, it's similar to Liquid Gold. I think it's a lower concentration of glycolic acid.

Hannah Furst:
So, that is a listener recommendation. Now onto my fave serums. So, of course, I can't go without some anti aging. So I actually chose, The Ordinary Granactive Retinoid Emulsion 2%. So, that one's $17.90, which is so ... I was looking at all the retinols, retinols are not that cheap. So, this one's the cheapest retinol.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep. So, it's a very low strength, great product to start off with if you've never used a retinol before, and then you can move up to the retinols in the range. So the retinoid is a lower strength and then the retinols go up in the strength. But I always find it confusing because it has, and I think other people will find this as well if I find it confusing, because it just all looks the same, and then you see a lower percentage. You're like, "Oh, that must be weaker." But if it says, retinol 1%, and you're using a retinoid 2%, the retinol is actually probably a higher concentration, even though it's in 1%. It is very hard to find a hyaluronic acid-

Hannah Furst:
I know what I'd do, I'd do The Ordinary Buffet-

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. Yeah. Good one. Yeah. I was tempted to put Buffet in mine as well-

Hannah Furst:
I know, but I've already said this on a previous episode, but it's $24.90, and the one with copper peptides is under 50. So, this one also has hyaluronic acid, but it has a million other things in it. It's a peptide serum, but it's super hydrating. I actually use that pretty much every night. So the last one was, I was trying to find a pigmentation serum. Can I be honest? I haven't used this, but because I read through some of the reviews and I thought it was a really good option for pigmentation. It's Skinstitut Even Blend Serum. It's reduced at the moment to $36, but usually it's 49.

Joanna Flemming:
Skinstitut is a really good option if you're looking for a lot of products that come under $50, they've got a lot in their range that is marked down at the moment. So, if you are looking to use a good range, but you just don't really know where to start, Skinstitut's actually a really good brand to start with.

Hannah Furst:
It's definitely a really affordable, high quality, skincare range. So yeah, give that one a go. The last one on my serum list, it's not really a serum because it comes in a tube, but it's the Bioderma Sebium ... I don't know how to say that ... Pore Refiner. So they have a whole Sebium range, and I've been using quite a lot of products from that range. So, you put this on before your moisturizer, and it minimizes the appearance of your pores. So if you're doing makeup or something, you can put that on before, I guess, you put on your moisturizer. You should, if you have oily skin, check out the Bioderma oily skin range, it's called Sebium. I don't know if I'm saying that right, do you know how to say that?

Joanna Flemming:
I mean, that's how it's spelt.

Hannah Furst:
Sebium. Sebium.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep. Say it in French.

Hannah Furst:
I don't know. I can't ... I can't. I'm just looking at it and I'm like ... I just don't-

Joanna Flemming:
Not tonight, Jo, not today.

Hannah Furst:
Why have you organized this on a Monday? Honestly, Monday morning. So they're my serums, there's a little bit of anti-aging hydration, and then also, yeah, check out the Sebium Pore Refiner if you're looking for oil and shine control. So my moisturizer, I have chosen, it's called the innisfree Cherry Blossom Jelly Cream, which I love the name. And it's got really nice packaging, it's pink. It's got antioxidant protection, with niacinamide, because I haven't chosen a vitamin C or a niacinamide so, I actually chose a moisturizer with antioxidant protection and niacinamide. So it's a gel so, it's perfect as well for oily and combination skin types. SPF, well, I think we both were going to, you didn't choose an SPF, but I've chosen-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. No, I forgot about that, which is ridiculous that I forgot, but I would choose exactly the same one as you.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So, we've both chosen the La Roche-Posay Anthelios XL Ultra-Light Fluid Facial Sunscreen, that is a long one. That one's 29.95. And then the last thing that I chose, sorry, I couldn't find an eye cream under 50, not possible for me. So, what I chose instead was the Pixi DetoxifEYE, spelt Detoxif with EYE, E-Y-E ... that's cute ... Depuffing Eye Patches. So, it's actually $46 for 30 pairs. So that is cheap for one use, I reckon.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, it comes in this little tub, they're all layered on top of each other, and it's just really satisfying to peel them out.

Hannah Furst:
I did have one more thing on my list, but it's not related. It was the lash serum.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh yes.

Hannah Furst:
I've actually been using a lash serum on my lashes, and then using it on my brows. And I found that my brows have just, particularly over iso, they've really filled out, because they were quite patchy. So, that's the L'Oreal Paris Clinically Proven Lash Serum, and that one's 29.95.

Joanna Flemming:
How much did yours come to?

Hannah Furst:
I think it's almost $400. Let me just-

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, you did do a lot more than me. You calculate it and then-

Hannah Furst:
359, but that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 11 products.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. That's not too bad.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So, you don't need all those things.

Joanna Flemming:
No, you could pick and choose.

Hannah Furst:
But I'm a Maximalist skincare person so-

Joanna Flemming:
As am I.

Hannah Furst:
The one thing I will say, neither of us have a vitamin C on here.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh yeah. I often forget about vitamin C-

Hannah Furst:
Really?

Joanna Flemming:
... because I'm such a niacinamide person.

Hannah Furst:
I just don't go cheap on the vitamin C. Vitamin C is the one thing I definitely splurge on, because it's really hard to keep it stable, isn't it?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. Correct.

Hannah Furst:
My vitamin C costs more than your entire routine.

Joanna Flemming:
CF, really?

Hannah Furst:
I'm using Phloretin CF, SkinCeuticals.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah-[crosstalk 00:28:51] about.

Hannah Furst:
Oily skin. So depending on your skin type, you may want to swap in some other products and ingredients, but I would say our fave high quality, more affordable skincare would, I would say the three for me are Skinstitut, The Ordinary-

Joanna Flemming:
Yep, and if you really like Korean skincare probably, innisfree, as well.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, innisfree, definitely, definitely.

Joanna Flemming:
Product I didn't know I needed.

Hannah Furst:
Can our listeners send through, I'd love to know what their products are?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. We did that comp recently and they were sharing their products, they didn't know they needed, but a lot of it was stuff that we've spoken about.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So, I'd like to know stuff we haven't spoken about-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, that you think we need to know about, because I'm always discovering things just from the girls at work. Elle will tell me to try a serum because she thinks I'll like it, and I end up loving it.

Hannah Furst:
So yeah, hit us up. What is your product today, Jo, or do you need some more time because you were so lazy this morning?

Joanna Flemming:
I know, I was so lazy just, yeah, getting it set up.

Hannah Furst:
I'm joking, Jo is the least lazy person on this podcast, of the two people here.

Joanna Flemming:
So, my product today is the Narciso Rodriguez For Her EDP Pure Musc. A little sample of this got left on our desks recently, and I went into the office to collect some things, and it's a 20ml size so, this has been living in my handbag. But this is one of the perfumes that I really, really love. I'd say it's more of a masculine scent. Have you ever smelt this one, it's in a white packaging?

Hannah Furst:
I have one of those mini fragrances.

Joanna Flemming:
It's a floral, but it's mixed with musk as well so it's-

Hannah Furst:
Musky. Yeah, I-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. There's just something about it that feels not overly feminine, because I don't like super-florally scents, but it's also not the woody. So I don't know, we should get Michael Edwards on to explain it, but it just-

Hannah Furst:
But Michael Edwards was such a big hit as well, if you've-

Joanna Flemming:
I know, I know. I honestly could speak to him all day. You've got to go and listen to that episode, he just has the most soothing voice. If I can't sleep, I'm going to put that on in my headphones and listen to him talk. But this is a really beautiful fragrance, but I actually, what I wanted to call out to you was the size because it fits in your bag, it's a proper perfume. You know, some of those sample sizes you've got to pull the lid off and then it's open, and you have to, you know?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Joanna Flemming:
They're just in a really annoying packaging.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. I was literally thinking about that the other day. Yep.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. So it's in a proper spray nozzles so, it's really easy to carry around, but it's not going to break in your handbag or anything like that, because it's quite small and sturdy, but it is in a glass bottle. But yeah, I just really love that scent, Pure Musc by Narciso Rodriguez. That's my pick for today, and that's 65 bucks for a 20ml, which I think is pretty reasonable for an EDP.

Hannah Furst:
EDP, for the people that don't know what that means?

Joanna Flemming:
Eau de parfum. Yep, so it's longer lasting than a eau de toilette. Yep. Anyway, that's me. What's yours?

Hannah Furst:
I did a, Instagram Live, with Marie Cain and she is a fellow frizzy-haired ... she's a hairdresser, but she's also got very frizzy hair like me, but I always see her Instagram and I'm like, your hair looks so nice for someone that's got frizzy hair. She's obviously a hairdresser so, she knows what she's doing. But she had sent me a little care package after that live with, it was all frizzy Hagrid hair products. And I posted, I hadn't tried it yet, and I posted it to my Instagram, it was the Kerastase ... Oh, I hate saying their names. Oh my God, let me think about it.

Joanna Flemming:
You can do it. This one's easy. You'll be right.

Hannah Furst:
Kerastase Discipline Bain Fluidealiste.

Joanna Flemming:
Why don't you just spell it out?

Hannah Furst:
We'll have links in the episode notes.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
So, that's the shampoo. It's the Discipline range, it's orange. I don't think the French say it, "Discipline," I think they say something else, but I'm going to say, "Discipline," because I don't want to stuff it up. So, I posted, I was like, "Oh, really excited to try this," and actually I had all the Hagrid hair girls that follow me were like, "Oh my God, this is amazing. I love this shampoo." And so I tried it, and I actually used it last night, and it is a dream.

Joanna Flemming:
Really?

Hannah Furst:
My head, these products don't turn frizzy hair into straight hair. That's what I want from a shampoo and conditioner, but I'm yet to find one that does that. So it's not like, I don't think there's any shampoo and conditioner that I've ever tried, that it's going to turn your hair from frizzy to straight or [inaudible 00:33:19]. You know, it just doesn't work like that.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
What it does do is make it much more manageable. So, I-

Joanna Flemming:
Yep, but that's what you want.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So I literally straightened my hair last night, I didn't blow dry it first because of CBF, but I used these products and then I straightened my hair. And my hair today is as smooth as, it's so smooth, it's so soft, no frizz-

Joanna Flemming:
I need to try more products from the Kerastase range because I haven't tried that many, but I think I need to get on the bandwagon, because I just hear such good things about Kerastase. I've tried a few of their products but, or Marie from CS was telling me that she's been using a lot of the Kerastase range, and I love Marie's hair, obsessed with her hair. If you don't know Marie from customer service, if you've never spoken to her before, she's also on YouTube again, YouTube shout out. But she has such nice hair, and she uses a lot of Kerastase products. So I think I'm going to have to do some research. The only thing I find challenging is that it's all in French and I'm like, what are you?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Well once you know so, this range, the Discipline orange range, Kerastase are going to kill me about how I've pronounced that. Oh, I have a guest request. Can you get someone with a really nice french accent?

Joanna Flemming:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
Christophe Robin?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. I'll get Christophe Robin. Yep.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, he's got such a great accent.

Joanna Flemming:
Done.

Hannah Furst:
Yes, we- [crosstalk 00:34:39]

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I love Christophe as well. We met him in Melbourne and it was a great experience. He was really, really lovely.

Hannah Furst:
I've had a really clumsy week so, I smashed my Juliette Has A Gun, I dropped it on my-

Joanna Flemming:
The whole thing? You dropped-

Hannah Furst:
The whole thing. The whole thing.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, that's soul crushing, that is.

Hannah Furst:
So it is my favorite fragrance. I got the super dose, and I shouldn't-

Joanna Flemming:
Was it full?

Hannah Furst:
Yes, pretty much. I shouldn't be living in a concrete box because-

Joanna Flemming:
No.

Hannah Furst:
... and then a few days later, I dropped my Sensory Macedon Trail candle, it also smashed, but I'm still burning that one.

Joanna Flemming:
I don't know if I'd recommend that.

Hannah Furst:
Really? Why?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I don't know if that's safe. Well, because the glass is compromised.

Hannah Furst:
But to be fair, my house smelt like, Not A Perfume, for days.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, it probably still does.

Hannah Furst:
So, I think I'm used to it now, but yeah-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, you need some carpet.

Hannah Furst:
I know. If it was carpet, this wouldn't have happened. So, I'm going to have to repurchase that one, I was completely devastated. I literally kept saying to myself, this is why you can't have nice things.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, oh that's sad.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
All right cool. Well, that's it from us this week.

Hannah Furst:
Thanks guys.

Joanna Flemming:
Good bye.

Hannah Furst:
Bye. Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Flemming:
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