A Celeb Stylist Told Us These Are the Best Products to Stop Your Hair Colour Fading at Home

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Fact: colouring your hair is expensive.

No matter how incredible your colour looks after spending several hours on a Saturday sat in the salon chair, it's still always a bit of a rude shock when it's time to fix up the bill.

It begs the question... if you're paying upwards of $200 (or $500 if you're blonde) having your hair expertly coloured by a professional, why wouldn't you use salon quality hair products at home to help it last as long as humanly possible?

We love a bargain beauty buy as much as anyone, but the cold, unflattering truth is - you might as well throw your money in the bin if you're using cheap shampoo and conditioner on your colour-treated hair in the shower.

OK cool, but what are the best hair products for coloured hair? And what about the best purple shampoos for blondes?

If you're keen on keeping your gorgeous but pricey hair colour from fading at home between appointments (or are living in lockdown and won't be getting to a salon anytime soon), you're in luck because we spoke to the king of colour, Edwards and Co founder Jaye Edwards, to find out everything you need to know.

You can listen to our full interview with celebrity hair stylist and colourist Jaye Edwards in this episode of the Beauty IQ Uncensored podcast below!

Why Does Hair Colour Fade?

First, let's understand what actually makes hair colour fade.

According to Edwards, there are a heap of things that can make your colour fade faster, including:

  • Seasonal changes, like a warm climate or being outside during summer.

  • Swimming in the ocean or swimming in chlorinated pools.

  • Excessive heat styling - "For brunettes, it'll make your brunette go warm, and for blondes, it will make them go brassy."

  • Washing your hair too frequently - "We really only need to wash our hair every three days, max."

  • Incorrect product prescription - "If you're using not-so-great quality products at home, that'll allow your favourite colour to fade faster."

FYI, we break down the best products for blondes in our YouTube video below!

Hair Product Ingredients to Avoid.

Now we know why our lovely colour fades, what product ingredients should we be avoiding?

"Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS). That's a major one... I feel it in product," Edwards told the Beauty IQ Uncensored podcast.

"Silicone also can impact the colour process when you go back to have your colour redone. If you imagine, it's a plastic, so when you keep using it again and again, it's wrapping and coating the hair in plastic."

Best Hair Products to Maintain Your Colour at Home.

Edwards said at-home colour protection hair products are an absolute must, especially if you're investing a lot in your hair colour at the salon.

"You can spend anywhere from $300 to $700 on your hair at the salon, so why would you then go and buy a $5 bottle of shampoo and put that on your $700 colour?"

The man has a point.

Now, onto Edwards' favourite at-home hair products to keep your colour from fading between appointments.

1. Christoph Robin Shade Variation Masks.

The Christoph Robin Shade Variation Mask comes in five shades - Baby Blonde, Golden Blonde, Chestnut Brown, Ash Brown and Copper.

Free from parabens, silicones, oxidants and ammonia, the treatments amplify tone, brighten pigment, knock out any warmth or brassiness, and evenly distribute pigment throughout the hair for a refreshed colour.

Edwards added, "These colour toning pots are just so nourishing and so beautiful on hair that I personally think that's all you really need [between colour appointments]."

Every five washes or as needed, apply to towel-dried hair from root to tip and leave in for up to 30 minutes. Voila!

2. The Olaplex Range.

Olaplex is a cult at-home hair colour maintenance brand for a reason.

The protein-packed products work to repair your hair from the inside out, and colour always looks best on healthy hair.

Choose from the No.6 Bond Smoother, the No.7 Bonding Oil, or the No.4 and No.5 Shampoo and Conditioner.

3. Eleven Keep My Colour Blonde Shampoo and 4. Kevin Murphy Blonde Shampoo.

Blondes, pay attention now. According to Edwards, you might be using your blonde shampoo too often.

"I do recommend purple shampoos to some people, but I would definitely not recommend you use one every time you wash your hair. I would use it every fourth or fifth wash."

"Two personal favourites of mine are the ELEVEN Keep My Colour Blonde Shampoo and the KEVIN.MURPHY Blonde.Angel.Wash - the Eleven one's a lot stronger than the Kevin Murphy one, so don't overuse it because these types of shampoos aren't nourishing and they'll dry your hair out."

5. VIRTUE Recovery Shampoo and Conditioner.

VIRTUE is one of Edwards' favourite brands because it contains the brand's patented, sustainable 60ku keratin complex. Again, protein in hair care = strong hair that looks super healthy.

Using the VIRTUE Recovery Shampoo 240mland VIRTUE Recovery Conditioner at home will keep your hair in great shape, which means an even better looking colour.

6. VIRTUE Topical Scalp Supplement.

"The VIRTUE Topical Scalp Supplement is great for scalp health, but also for regrowing new hair... My clients have had new hair growth after one month of using it daily, not a word of a lie," Edwards said.

7. JSHealth Hair & Energy and 8. Apotecari Mane Event.

Finally, Edwards is all about hair supplements for healthy hair that holds colour well.

His favourites? JSHealth 1 Month Hair + Energy and Apotecari Mane Event 1 Month Supply

"Genuinely, my beard has gotten thicker after six weeks of using it... I was having to trim my beard so often, it was kind of crazy."

And those are Jaye Edwards' picks for the best products to keep your hair and hair colour looking bloody good at home. Godspeed!

You can find more from Jaye Edwards on Instagram here and Edwards and Co here. Feature image: @_edwardsandco.

Want more helpful hair stories? Check out these posts from our Adore Beauty team below!


Want to learn more? Here's the transcript of our Beauty IQ Uncensored podcast episode on maintaining hair colour.


Our new Beauty Editor, Amy chats with us about how to deal with chafing. Plus! Jaye Edwards joins us to chat hair colour maintenance.

Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 53 Transcript - 'Why You Shouldn't Use Your Purple Shampoo Every Wash'

 

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ the podcast.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm your host, Joanna Fleming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your co-host Hannah Furst.

Joanna Fleming:
I have an update from a listener about J-Lo, right? Because obviously, we've spoken a lot about J-Lo on this podcast, probably a little bit too much, but we're not obsessed or anything. We actually really are.

Hannah Furst:
We are obsessed.

Joanna Fleming:
She sent us a DM and she said, "I notice you've talked about J-Lo a bit. A bit, meaning a lot. And I read something interesting. She sleeps on her back every single night and has a barricade of pillows around her so she doesn't accidentally sleep on her side or front or anything to put pressure on her face and décolletage. It's so crazy, I love her skin." She said she read that somewhere and I've never read that. I did not know that was her secret. Now that makes a lot of sense because I sleep on my face and that is a real issue. I sleep on my tummy, so I'm always squishing my face, but you have some other updates for us.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So, because obviously we've gone into step... What are we? We're we're in step-

Joanna Fleming:
I don't know what we are.

Hannah Furst:
We're in hell, but we're allowed to socialize outside with a friend. So I actually-

Joanna Fleming:
You're allowed to go for a picnic outside.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, so I think the dating's back on the cards, I reckon, because you can do that. It's safer than pretending a random's your intimate partner, and then having them over to your house, I do not recommend that. At least you can vibe out if they're not a serial killer.

Joanna Fleming:
I feel like you must have a lot of talent within five Ks. Look, this is where Bumble and Hinge and Tinder, they were ahead of their game in having a radius situation on their apps because we weren't to know that we were going to be limited by 5k. So it's really actually quite handy for everyone that uses dating apps.

Hannah Furst:
I don't know if you guys know, but I've been so desperate for Ben and Jerry's...

Joanna Fleming:
Is this you screaming out for a sponsorship?

Hannah Furst:
This is me hoping that I get free Ben and Jerry's. I have a very, very serious issue with your company and I'd like you to, no, just joking. I've been trying to order half baked on Uber Eats and it's bloody sold out everywhere.

Joanna Fleming:
Well consider this a formal complaint to Uber Eats and Ben and Jerry's. We take our snacks very seriously.

Hannah Furst:
This podcast is like dating, snacks and a side of beauty, honestly. So yeah, I would love for you to send me a big package of... I'm going to manifest it and put it out into the universe.

Joanna Fleming:
That's what we do best and it usually works out for us.

Hannah Furst:
What have we put out into the universe, Aldi Panty Liners...

Joanna Fleming:
Krispy Kreme donuts.

Hannah Furst:
Krispy Kreme. Lockie from The Bachelor.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Except that hasn't come to fruition yet, but it will, I'm confident it will.

Hannah Furst:
Now, I just quickly read out the text that we had last night about Lockie. There's been a bit of chat on TikTok.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I've seen a few tiktoks outing Lockie for being a bit of a player. Allegedly. Don't sue me.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah and I said, "Yes, I've seen that on the Daily Mail." And Joe goes, "Of course you have." And I said, "Messaging girls on TikTOK to come on is intruders." And then I said, "He sounds like bad news, but I love it. I like him even more."

Joanna Fleming:
Anyway, we have an episode to get to today. What are we talking about today, Hannah?

Hannah Furst:
All right. So on this episode we're really introducing our third co-host Amy, who is from our team. She is coming on to chat about thigh chafing. And she'll be back on a bonus episode. Is that in a couple of weeks, Joe?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
All get to meet Amy. We're also speaking to Jayee Edwards. He is kind of the King of color? The King of future-proof hair color. I'm really butchering this. And then the products we didn't know we needed.

Joanna Fleming:
I'll just let you roll with it.

Hannah Furst:
I totally butchered that. But hey, it's real and authentic. So #Authentic.

Hannah Furst:
So, we are so, so excited to have Amy joining us on the podcast. Everyone will really get to know Amy in the coming weeks because Amy is going to be taking over one of the bonus episodes, for those of you that don't know Amy, maybe tell everyone a little bit about yourself.

Amy:
Well hi there. I feel like everything you need to know about me can be summed up by the fact that my first appearance on this podcast is to talk about thigh chafe, but I'm the senior editor at Adore, so you can see my face and read my words, road testing, lots of different stuff on our beauty IQ platform. So definitely check it out. But you may also recognize my voice, formerly I was at Mamma Mia and on the You Beauty podcast so I'm so excited to be back behind the mic.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, we love you beauty. I think that's sort of how I first got introduced to you, but I love your Tried And Tested. So if anyone's interested in seeing those, it's adobe.com.aus/beautyiq, you'll see` Amy's face and all of her recommendations all over all the articles. So we're really excited to have you on to talk about... Do you know, it's so funny that you said that because my first cringy combo was bum hair, basically I pitched it to Joe and I was like, "Joe, we should totally talk about the anus adults." And so we've got you on today to talk about thigh chafing. I'm a hiker, so I'm very well acquainted with thigh chafing, but I think you had a bit of a funny story to share with us?

Amy:
Oh Lord, I have been having, let's say thigh chafe, under bra strap chafe, underarm chafe, even groin chafe, all the chafe for a long time and that just comes with being someone who has thighs that happen to rub together. I don't have a gap unfortunately...

Hannah Furst:
Me either, me either. That thigh gap ridiculousness.

Amy:
Yes, I think I will be coming back with the thigh gap in my next life. But, so last year back when we could travel, I went Singapore with my partner and as anyone that has been to Singapore would know, it is Schweddy AF, so humid. I was basically just walking around like a puddle the entire time. And as you know, I generally only wear skirts. I don't know. This is just my thing.

Hannah Furst:
I was going to say for people that are listening, Amy's obsession with leopard print skirts is like my obsession with Aldi panty liners. I don't really wear skirts, so I guess I don't experience as much chafing now as I probably used to because I've always got Lulu lemon fabric in between, which helps with the chafing.

Amy:
Yeah. Well I think I also wanted to look stylish while I was traveling. I didn't want to just be in a t-shirt and I don't particularly think I look that great in active wear. So I was like, "I want to wear my skirts around." Big mistake. I had the driest, reddest, sore thighs ever. And I think even at one point, my partner and I were out site seeing, and I just started crying in the middle of the street because the chief was that bad. I was like, "I don't even know if I can make it back to the hotel." He's a boy, he's never had thigh chafe. I was like, "You don't understand how bad this is."

Hannah Furst:
My clearest memory of thigh chafe was when I was hiking when I was younger. And we did a seven day hike and the sweat and the bare legs, hiking back and forth, and back and forth. It was red raw, like totally red raw. So I feel you.

Amy:
That triggers me. And I also just want to shout out to anyone else that gets underarm bra strap chafe, because that is a thing. And I get it on my... Sometimes I call it my second boob. It's like the extra bit of breast tissue that's next to my boob under my arm. I get it so bad with my bra band, and even at work, when I used to be in an office, I'd just take my bra off at three o'clock and then I'd go to catch the train home and realize I was free balling.

Hannah Furst:
Laugh out for you. I have so much respect for that because I can't even go to sleep free balling. I have to wear a crop top to bed, which I always wanted to know if you should let your boobs like breathe overnight?

Amy:
I feel like maybe that could be more of like a... You'd need that sense of security.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. I like to be all strapped in at all times. I don't understand these people that sleep naked. I remember I went to Bali with my ex-boyfriend. He was like, "Let's sleep naked." And I was like, "What?" I lay awake the entire night. I could not sleep. I was like, "It's natural to me to sleep naked."

Amy:
I think I'd argue there's nothing more natural than sleeping naked.

Hannah Furst:
Back to thigh chafe, so I would really like to know, I guess you've tried and tested a lot of different things. Let's hear, what are your top products?

Amy:
Okay. So I am going to talk to you about four products. Three are not stocked to the door and one is.

Hannah Furst:
We love that. We know how much we love pharmacy brands that you can't get at a door.

Amy:
One is a pharmacy brand and actually two are from small Ozzie businesses run by women. So yeah, I'm really excited to talk about that. So I brought all four of these with me to Singapore and I still use them. I mean, I'm hardly leaving the house now, so I'm not really using them now, but come summer, I will be all about these. The first is kind of like the ultimate thigh chafe product. It's called Neat Three B Action Cream, and you can get it at the pharmacy. It's between 15, 20 bucks. I get it in a big tub. And it literally says on the tub it's for between and beneath breasts, buttocks, and legs, and this cream, it's essentially a thick kind of almost glue textured barrier cream that you put on your skin, wherever you chafe. And what it does is it sits on top of the skin and so then your legs or your arms, whatever can just glide together, like you're ice skating or something.

Amy:
It's absolutely magic. I have another option that's for when you've stuffed up, you've got the chafe, it's too late now, but you still need to live your life and go outside. So the second product I use, so it's either [foreign language 00:10:43]. So it's called [foreign language 00:10:51]. And this is created by an Aussie woman, she started her own business and she's formulated this all natural, soothing, preventative chafing cream for sensitive areas. So you can use it on your breasts, you can use it on your nipples if you ever have any nipple chafing, inner thighs, bikini areas. So the bits where sometimes if it's a really stinking humid day and your undies are sweaty, it helps for that. Because it's all natural you can use it on already chafed skin, which you can't use the other one on that.

Hannah Furst:
That would burn. That would give you... Yeah

Amy:
And it doesn't help the skin heal whereas this one does. And then my third product, I've actually got it here for a bit of show and tell, is a very sexy pair of shorts that you can wear under your skirt or your dress.

Hannah Furst:
You're saying they're sexy, you're being a little bit sarcastic, but they actually are leopard print. I love leopard print. I think there's nothing sexier. I don't know about the brown crotch area, but I would prefer if it was all leopard, because then I would wear those as bike shorts.

Amy:
Yeah. They basically look like Kim Kardashian bike shorts except they've got this this Brown bit of the crutch that's like riding pants or something, like if you were going horse riding. So these ones that I wear, they're called pettipants. So P-E-T-T-I pants by Missy Massey. This is another female owned Ozzy small business. They're basically like bike shorts, except the problem with black shorts if you have thick thighs or you're plus size, is they always ride up and that does nothing if you're trying to prevent thigh chafing. So these ones, they're a really thin stretchy silky material. They probably cut off just above the knee. And literally it just protects the skin there. And so, again, you're gliding around all day, like you're walking on silk.

Hannah Furst:
Can you put a pantyliner in there though?

Amy:
You probably could. To be fair...

Hannah Furst:
Oh yeah, in that brown crotch section. That makes sense.

Amy:
Way on these underneath, because if I want to get two days wear out of it before I put it in the wash, and you can get them in all different prints, you don't have to get leopard print. You can get skin tone and whatnot, but they're great. And then my last product recommendation is something to help with the texture of your skin between your thighs, wherever you get chafing because I get a bit of folliculitis, like blocked pores, blocked hair follicles, and the skin between my thighs just from a decade and a half of chafing, the skin is almost a different color.

Amy:
It's a bit pigmented, it's rough, it's bumpy so what I do is, I use the Skinstitut Glycolic Cleanser, which is a face cleanser, but it's really awesome to use alpha hydroxy acids, beta hydroxy acids on your body to help with things like blocked pores, even bacne or buttne, you can use it for those things. So I use this in the shower. I probably use it once a week when I do my hair mask, when I'm in the shower and I'm like, "Man, what am I going to do for two to five minutes while I wait for this hair mask to sink in?"

Hannah Furst:
You clearly don't have a Vush The Empress in your shower.

Amy:
No, I don't.

Hannah Furst:
I'm so inappropriate. We've never done a segment before and I'm already like, "The Vush. Let's try to get that into conversation."

Amy:
Dammit. Okay. Well maybe I need to bring that in...

Hannah Furst:
You only need 30 seconds for the Vush though, so it's probably not enough time.

Amy:
I'm just going to say, I don't even have a ledge I can just sit on, I could sit on the floor of my shower, but anyway...

Hannah Furst:
You don't sit on the floor of the shower?

Amy:
No, I do, I do when I'm shaving my legs and stuff. I basically use it like a bodywash on my thighs, bum in between the legs, obviously. It's not for delicate areas. Yeah, so those are my, you tried and tested thigh chafe products.

Hannah Furst:
Very nice. Well, thank you Amy for joining us for your first cringy combo. We'll see you again in the coming weeks. Well, we'll hear you again in the coming weeks. So thanks for coming on.

Amy:
Thank you, Hannah.

Joanna Fleming:
So who better join us to talk about hair color than the King of future proof hair color himself, and owner of Edwards and Co salons, Jayee Edwards. Welcome to the show, Jayee.

Jaye Edwards:
Thank you for having me.

Joanna Fleming:
Because this segment is all around maintaining colored hair, can we first touch on what factors actually cause color fading? Are there certain things that we're all doing to our hair that are impacting our color??

Jaye Edwards:
Yeah, absolutely. There's actually so many things that we don't actually realize that cause color fadage, right? So first and foremost, seasonal changes. Seasonal changes cause the most amount of color fadage. When we're leading into summer and everyone's outside and it's in a really warm climate, color fades incredibly quickly, especially when we're swimming in the ocean or swimming in chlorinated pools. Salt and chlorine, they are corrosives, right. So they're corroding away your color the more often you swim. Another one is incorrect product prescription. So if you're using a not great quality product, that'll allow your favorite color to fade more quickly. It probably won't make your color fade quickly, but it will allow it to fade quickly. And then a really important one is excessive heat styling. So if you're really going ham on the iron or the curler, that's going to fade your color really quickly, and particularly brunettes, it'll make your brunette go warm, and for blonde it will make them go brassy. It's almost like, when you burn something and it goes warm, like it changes in color. That's what will happen with your hair, right?

Joanna Fleming:
Is that why I've got red hair? I hate the brassy red hair.

Jaye Edwards:
Are you blow drying your hair a lot?

Joanna Fleming:
I do straighten it a lot.

Jaye Edwards:
Yeah, that's probably why. Absolutely. And then another one is washing your head too frequently. You know, we really only need to wash our hair like max, every three days. I understand some people go to the gym and do yoga and stuff like that, but that's where dry shampoo comes in handy. So if you're washing it too often, that'll also allow the color to fade quite quickly too.

Joanna Fleming:
We had Natalie Anne on a previous episode and we discussed salon versus supermarket haircare. And we also asked for her thoughts on color care products and whether they were important. What's your view on color protection products?

Jaye Edwards:
I don't really see... You go to a hair salon, you spend anywhere from 300 up to 6, $700 on your hair. Why would you then go and buy a $5 bottle of shampoo and put that on your $700 color? Blows my mind that people still do it. Don't understand it. Color protection products, they're absolute must. I just don't see why it wouldn't be a must or why that wouldn't be in someone's purse after they spent all that money on their hair.

Joanna Fleming:
What kind of ingredients will you find in or not find in color protection products?

Jaye Edwards:
Sodium lauryl sulfate. That's a major one, that just is, I feel it in product. So the moment you use that, you're just putting crap on your hair and that's what allows the color to fade quickly. It's not really protecting it. And you know, silicon comes in all different forms. There's water soluble, and then there's non-water soluble. So non-water soluble silicon will build up and build up and build up and just dull your color down.

Joanna Fleming:
And can that also impact the color process when you go back to have your color redone?

Jaye Edwards:
Absolutely. Silicon, especially because, if you imagine, it's a plastic. So when you keep using it and using it and using it and it's wrapping around the hair over and over again, and then you go and apply a really strong chemical, like bleach onto that, and then that heats up, it's obviously going to cause a chemical reaction, right? So that's why this... A few brands come to mind at the moment with that happening a lot. And you know, it can be very traumatizing because firstly it can melt your hair or it can burn your scalp. And when that happens that's not great because that can cause pretty bad scarring. And it's just that it hates up so much that it becomes too hot to touch. I think the consumer is becoming more aware of what ingredients are in their products these days anyway, especially if you're going to pay a premium price on hair color.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, definitely. Now at big ethos at your salons at Edwards and Co is that you produce future proof color. So I wanted to know, what's the go with toners? Do you recommend that your clients use a toning product between colors or do you recommend any in particular?

Jaye Edwards:
My personal preference is for clients not to come in or I turn up for at least three months after their color. I personally don't think it's necessary, but I do recommend one of my favorite brands is Christophe Robin and they have the toning pots and I think there's six different tones. So there's an Ash blonde, a Golden Blonde, a Chestnut, an Ash Brown and a Copper. And they are just so nourishing and so beautiful on hair that I personally think that's all you really need. And then, I think after that three months you come into the salon for a proper gloss just to shout about the root. So the color looks blended again and then you go another three months before you have your highlights done again.

Jaye Edwards:
And I guess that's where the future proof hair color comes from, because I am a believer... Why would you want to come in every six or eight weeks when you can come in three months... Have you big color first, then in three months just have a touch of gloss and then three months after that, then have your highlights again. So only being highlighted twice a year, if that, and then you can just top up at home with all these beautiful products.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. And I guess that's also maintaining the health of the hair a little bit more, is it?

Jaye Edwards:
Hands down. That's kind of why I coined the term future proof hair color because I'm all about hair health. And I would prefer someone to have beautiful, healthy hair. It's not quite as light as what they would really love, rather than having really light hair that's snapping or holding onto an inch of its life.

Joanna Fleming:
Thinking of blondes, what are the best ways to care for and maintain colored blonde hair in particular, because I know blondes probably have caught... That causes people probably the most grief as opposed to a few, you know, a brunette.

Jaye Edwards:
Yeah, absolutely. So I guess firstly there's condition. So it's really important that you're looking after condition and a few products come to mind with that. The whole Virtue range has a 60ku Keratin in it, which is incredible for healing hair. Then there's all of Olaplex, which is also incredible for healing hair. And then Redken has the pH bonder, which is a personal favorite of mine that restructures the internal bonds of the hair. So using products that are specifically designed to heal and repair hair. And then the second problem is the tone, but maintaining the tone, so that's where the Christophe Robin toning products come in handy because they have an Ash and a gold and they're great because they have a five to 30 minute process time.

Jaye Edwards:
So if you're feeling like you normally have Ash blonde, but it's gone a bit brassy, you can leave that in for 30 minutes and that will really help to fix the tone of your hair. Same with the Golden blondes. So if you feel like your gold has gone too white, you can leave the Golden blonde conditioner in for up to 30 minutes to put the gold back in. I would say they're the two key areas where you really need to look after your blondes.

Joanna Fleming:
Hannah have you used those Christophe Robin tubs?

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God. Well, I actually have a question that I want to add on the end of this interview Joe, if you don't mind? I'll just wait because I've got my own personal issue that I need dealt with. So...

Joanna Fleming:
All right, we'll leave your consultation to the end then. You've mentioned a few products there, but you actually introduced me to Virtue's Recovery Shampoo, which I've mentioned countless times on this podcast because you colored my hair last December and I haven't had it colored since and it still looks pretty good to me.

Jaye Edwards:
No way. That's amazing.

Joanna Fleming:
I haven't had it done. It's still looking fresh.

Jaye Edwards:
And it's still blended, right?

Hannah Furst:
You're literally not allowed to get it redone at the moment.

Joanna Fleming:
I actually cannot go back to Edwards and Co, but as soon as I can on back there for a refresher. So I wanted to know if you have any other must have products that you like to recommend to your clients because that one for me was just a game changer. So if you've got any other secrets, we want to know them.

Jaye Edwards:
Yeah, absolutely. So Virtues just released their Topicals Scalp Supplement. So it's great for scalp health, but also for regrowing new hair. I'm all about hair vitamins. I take vitamins myself, but this topical scalp supplement, because the 60ku keratin is great for your skin too, but it actually... My clients after one month have had new hair growth and that's not even any word of a lie. After one month of applying it every day, they have new hair and I think that's really amazing. And then of course, a must have is my Jaye Dry Texture Spray.

Joanna Fleming:
No, I've used that as well. It is a good product.

Jaye Edwards:
Which doubles up as a texture spray and a dry shampoo. And it contains white Cypress leaf to protect the integrity of the scalp and the hair. That's obviously a must have in everyone's kit.

Hannah Furst:
You did mention his supplements though. Can you tell us what hair supplements you use?

Joanna Fleming:
I know. I was just about to say, "Which ones?"

Jaye Edwards:
So I use two different ones. JS Health is a personal favorite of mine, the hair and energy one. Genuinely my beard got thicker.

Joanna Fleming:
Really? All right. It's going to get thicker

Jaye Edwards:
After I would say six weeks of using it, I was having to trim my beard so often, it was kind of crazy. I also use the Apada Kerry.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm using Apada Kerry. My hair feels unmanageably getting thicker. I could get thicker hair and it's starting to feel like my hair is just way too healthy, that I'm not going to be able to manage so much healthy hair. That's how I feel. How do you feel about your beard? Like it's too much?

Jaye Edwards:
It's not a bad problem to have though. I feel like a lot of clients are coming in with hair that is compromised and it's for so many different reasons, right? But I'm finding a lot of it is diet and people not actually eating the right foods to maintain the health of their hair because the reality is, if we don't start on the inside, it doesn't matter what we do on the outside, you know? So taking those types of vitamins, are really, really important.

Joanna Fleming:
Back to color. Finding a really good colorist that knows exactly what you're after is sometimes, I think a bit of a challenge for people. Do you have any tips for finding or choosing a colorist if anyone listening hasn't found the one yet?

Jaye Edwards:
Absolutely. So firstly, you should come to me. No, I'm kidding.

Jaye Edwards:
And I'll sort you out every time. I think it's really important for people to do their research. If you're wanting a really ashy color, don't go to a hair hairdresser that only post beautiful golden blondes, or if you wanting like a really vibrant red, don't go to a hairdresser, the only post blondes. Do your research, understand what you're looking for. Find that particular person that does that type of work because, hairdressers, we have a genuine knowledge of all hair color, but what happens is we find an area that we love a lot and then we focus on that area, so that's the work we put out there.

Jaye Edwards:
So if we have someone come to us and request something that we wouldn't normally do, you potentially might not get the result that you want. So it's really important that you do your research, find their Instagram page, and if the work that they do looks like the hair that you want, then you found the right person. And also, it takes more than one visit to get to know a hairdresser. So if you go there and you love it, but you're not in love with it, that's okay. Give it a second and third go because I promise by the third go, you're probably going to be loving yourself stupid.

Joanna Fleming:
Talk about color. I feel like blonde is the first thing that everyone thinks about, but I am having serious issues with my brunette hair. So just to give you some context and actually since I've started talking about it, I've had lots of brunettes messaging me, they're beside themselves with the red that's coming through. So I basically dyed my hair blonde about a year and a half ago. So obviously that part of my hair is blonde at the bottom and then I got it dyed Brown and then it went orange, as you can imagine. And so I ended up, don't judge me, I ended up box dyeing my hair from that moment on because I was just like, "Oh no big deal, it'll just-", but what's happened is that's actually, as a hairdresser told me, it's lifted the color so that now I can never get back to my natural color unless I grow it out.

Joanna Fleming:
So I guess with the Christophe Robin, the Cool Brown, I feel like people's definition of Cool Brown isn't my definition of Cool Brown because I like a super, super ashy, Ashy Brown. So I'm really finding this a real challenge and I don't really know what to do because I'm not allowed to go to the hairdressers right now and get their advice. So I've got you. What do you think?

Jaye Edwards:
This is my opinion. In Australia we're being trained in a way that teaches people how to do hair quickly and a lot of the time that's not the right way, especially when it comes to brunettes. Brunettes are a personal favorite hair color of mine and going into a hair salon and having them slap one color all over, and that is it, that is not the way to go for a brunette. If you don't want brass and you want cool, you have to highlight your hair out first, lift it out past yellow, all the way past yellow and then put the brown that you want back in. That's the only way you won't get brass or orange. And I swear by this method, and it works for me every time. I have so many brunette clients and they never have a problem with brass and it's because I lift out the brass first and then put the brown we want back in.

Jaye Edwards:
And that's the same when you're blonde and then going back to brown, slapping a color all over is not the answer. You have to lowlight it and create dimension first. And that way you have more control over the color you're putting into the hair. I learned how to do that in LA when I was over there training and once I was shown, the penny dropped and I was like, "Oh my God, it makes absolute sense." But for whatever reason in Australia, we're taught to do things that don't take as long, but then you never get the result that you want. I mean the Christophe Robin Ash Brown won't really work if- it'll work a little bit, but not if the hair's very warm. You would need to leave it on for at least 30 minutes to see a significant difference.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. So maybe I do need to... I've got the Evo Fabuloso one that is Cool Brown. So maybe I need to leave it on for a little bit longer. I'm having-

Jaye Edwards:
Yeah, the Evo one can be 20 minutes I think. So just leave it on.

Hannah Furst:
I'm finding that I've got red hair.

Joanna Fleming:
Which you didn't intend to have.

Hannah Furst:
I didn't think it would upset as much as it does, But it's causing me like a lot of grief. I really just didn't think I cared this much, but I really do.

Jaye Edwards:
It's also because when you see those types of tones against your skin, you go, "wait, that doesn't suit me." and that's what's stressful. And I totally understand why some women absolutely lose their shit when they haven't got what they want with the hair color. It's like, "Well, now I don't look like me. It's changed my eye color. It's changed my skin tone. It's changed my brow color" and all those things are really important. I get it.

Hannah Furst:
It's so true. It's so interesting because some girls look so good with that chocolatey hair. And for some reason, when I see myself with that chocolatey hair, I'm like, because my natural color is very Ash, I'm like, "Why? It just does not suit me at all." Joe, do you agree with that? Or am I being a bit over the top?

Joanna Fleming:
No. I went through a phase where I really liked cool tones in my hair a long time ago when I was lightening my hair. And then I kind of got used to having warmer tones because my hair throws a little bit brassy and I still tone it now because I have to otherwise it would be orange, but that's just what my hair does. So now I'm more open to the warmth because I think that does look better on me and hairdressers did try to tell me that when I was going through the Ash stage, but I totally get you're the opposite to me. You're like, "I want the Ash, the warm doesn't suit me" whereas I've done the opposite circle, but I did want to ask actually one more question about purple shampoos or toning shampoos because we've talked a lot about the Christopher Robin tubs, which are more like a treatment. Do you recommend using a purple shampoo every time you wash your hair, say if you're a blonde?

Jaye Edwards:
I do recommend purple shampoos to some people, but I would definitely not recommend to use it every time. I would use it to every fourth or fifth wash. Two personal favorites of mine are the Eleven Keep Me Blonde Shampoo and also the Kevin Murphy Blonde Shampoo, the Eleven one's a lot stronger than the Kevin Murphy one, so you're only using it every fourth or fifth wash. And just remembering that those types of shampoos are not nourishing. They're going to dry your hair out. So you're going to make sure that you follow up with a really restorative mosque, the Virtue one would be awesome to follow up with for sure.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I'm so on the Virtue bandwagon since you introduced me to that shampoo, I'm obsessed with the brand now. I didn't know anything about it before and then I tried it.

Joanna Fleming:
I was like, "This is the best." All right. Well I think that's all the questions we've got for you today, Jaye but if we have any more color questions, we'll definitely get you back on.

Hannah Furst:
Thanks so much for the personal consult too. I very much appreciate it.

Jaye Edwards:
Yeah, no problem., of course. Thanks guys.

Joanna Fleming:
So my product, I didn't know I needed this week is the new Giorgio Armani Narrow Nude, True-to-Skin Foundation. Now, I think I've actually spoken about the Neo Nude range before. I think maybe the lip balm from that range has been one of my other PWD KWN, so I really like light coverage, dewy finish, really natural looking skin. So, I don't like full coverage foundations, even sometimes medium coverage is a bit too much for me, but this foundation is stunning. Like I wasn't sure what to expect.

Hannah Furst:
I haven't tried it yet. I've got it ready to try.

Joanna Fleming:
So Micah sent one to me and I wasn't sure if I was going to get one, I saw it going around on socials and I was like, "Oh, that looks amazing" but I wasn't really sure if I was going to get sent one. So it arrived in the mail. I didn't know it was coming. And I was like, "Oh yes," I got the shade 5.25 and luckily Micah, our Category Manager and I are usually the same shade. So if she picks her shade, it's usually my shade, which is great. So she sent it to me and I tried it the next day. And as soon as I put it on, actually as soon as I squeezed it out of the tube, I was like, "Oh yes, this is for me. This is going to be a vibe. I'm going to love it."

Joanna Fleming:
I put it on my skin. Just used my fingers, no brush, no sponge, nothing, just my fingers. It glides on like a dream. It is stunningly smooth. And it almost just feels like a really lightweight moisturizer, but it's really even, no peeling, nothing. Honestly it exceeded my expectations and I'm not paid to say that. I'm not paid by Giorgio Armani, got a sample, but not paid. Also great to know that they have numerous shades. It does go up to quite a deep skin tone, which I think is really important to note when it comes to foundations because a lot of foundations still are just not meeting the criteria of having enough shades or having a wide enough shade spectrum and I think they've done quite a good job with this foundation. I think there's maybe 25 plus shades, which is still pretty good. A lot of brands have 40, but you can't do that with every foundation I guess, but still offering deep shades is really important and also really fair shades as well.

Joanna Fleming:
So I think it'll be really easy to find your shade regardless of what skin tone you are. And, you know, with Giorgio Armani, it's the same with the Luminous Silk shades. They offer, like I'm using 5.25, and then there's a 5.5 and there's a 5.75 or something. So there is a ton of shades to choose from, but it gives your skin a beautiful finish, very dewy, very light coverage. It's not for anyone that likes a full coverage foundation because it definitely doesn't do that. But if you like, almost tinted moisturizer finish, then this is for you 100%. You'll love it. I can guarantee it

Hannah Furst:
I think it would be a good walking date foundation. That's the first thing that I taught. I was like, "This is a good foundation to wear on a walking date." Pre mask wearing I went on a walking date and I'd been doing a video at home and so I had like kind of quiet, not full makeup, but the guy said to me on the date, he was like, "Oh, I thought you did that-" I said something like I was recording. He's like, "Oh, I thought you did that makeup for me." and I was like, "How embarrassing."

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, I would have been like, "Can we end this date now?" That's off-putting.

Hannah Furst:
You feel like, on a walking date, you want to put something on, but you don't want to go heavy makeup, kind of not the right... I think it's actually whatever you want to do, do it. But for me, I just want to...

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. To be honest, you know me, I probably wouldn't wear makeup at all.

Joanna Fleming:
I would definitely recommend this as a light coverage foundation, perfect for walking dates as Hannah said, but you could also build it up with another foundation, mix it in with another foundation if you wanted to.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I'm going to give it a go, I'll let you know. All right. So as you know, I have been doing, every Saturday night, I do like a different, crazy makeup look. I was actually inspired by Clementine Ford's Luke, Luke downs.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh yes. I love that. Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Every time I say one of her crazy, colored makeup looks, I then I'm like, "Oh, I want to do that." A couple of weeks ago I did like a pinky orange eye and then I... Do you remember that pink lipstick that I lost?

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. The Laura Mercier one.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. And I've been trying to replicate that lippy... Because Laura Mercier did a re-launch. So they don't even have that exact lipstick. I didn't know the name, I didn't know the color. I was devastated. Anyway, I found the exact, match that is really similar.

Joanna Fleming:
What is it?

Hannah Furst:
It's the MAC Cosmetics Powder Kiss Liquid Lip Color in a little taint. The only issue is that my dad knocked it off the table and it smashed open. So thanks.

Joanna Fleming:
So it's a liquid lip. It's not a bullet lipstick. It's a liquid lipstick.

Hannah Furst:
But it's matte. It's also not dry or cakey. It's like your pink skin, Tony color. But nicer.

Joanna Fleming:
I remember that Laura Mercier one, it was almost like a dusty pink dusty I would say yes. Yeah. Really beautiful. Yeah. I loved that lipstick on you.

Hannah Furst:
I should probably tell people that I used the Mac lip liner as well with that color. Which color do I use? So ah, links will be in the episode notes if you're interested.

Joanna Fleming:
I tried to do my own lash lift the other night, which went really well to be honest. I was a bit concerned that I was going to blind myself, but it actually ended up going okay. But God, I'm just hanging out for clinics and salons to reopen. Are you just hanging out to have your hair done or your lash lift or?

Hannah Furst:
No, I'm hanging out for borders opening. This is going to seem really sad because I was on a walk with a friend last night and I was like, "I've just been checking in with what's happening with Thailand." She's like, "You are crazy. Every time I speak to you, you have a new update on Thailand."

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I don't know that we're going to be able to travel internationally for a while.

Hannah Furst:
I've got Google alerts.

Joanna Fleming:
Because I feel like it's going to be another year Hannah

Hannah Furst:
I read they're doing... Well it keeps changing, but it was, you could do a three-month visa that could be extended twice. To nine months.

Joanna Fleming:
Why don't you just go for three months? We could still do the podcast.

Hannah Furst:
You know? Well, this is probably a bit of an announcement to my boss.

Joanna Fleming:
Hey Dan, Hannah's moving to Thailand. We thought this would be the best way to tell you. So here it is.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God. By the way, can we really quickly do a bit of a shout out to Dan just before we finish. I put out this Instagram post of my 10 McDonald's orders on Uber Eats in a week. And then I said, "Yes, I blame you Dan." Joe comments on the Instagram posts, "Blame Dan for what? That looks like a bloody good week to me." And I go, "Dan Andrews is obviously responsible for my lack of self control." And Dan, our boss, wrote back, "Few." It was the best. I just loved it. Dan, if you listening, I'm just joking about Thailand, if you didn't realize.

Joanna Fleming:
She's not.

Hannah Furst:
Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Fleming:
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