Episode 22: Is LED Light Therapy Just A Gimmick?

We're back for another episode of Beauty IQ Uncensored, brought to you by Adore Beauty. 

What’s on this episode? We’re glad you asked...

We chat about...condoms.

Co-founder of Jonny, Bec Park, joins us to talk about why she created a condom brand, what makes Jonny condoms different to those ones at 7-11, and why they're increasing their range of sizes.

Shop Jonny here

LED Light Therapy

Jo shares a travel story (for once) that involves a nasty bruise and tells us how she made it fade so quickly. We talk about all the different kinds of LED, and discover you can go to an LED lounge on your lunch break.

You can find the LED lounge at St.Skin in Melbourne.

Products we didn't know we needed:

Jo: Revlon Professional Nutri Color Crème - 812 Light Pearl

Hannah: Color WOW Dream Coat Supernatural Spray

Credits: 

Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst 

Guest: Bec Park

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Co-Founder of Jonny, Bec Park Talks About What Makes Jonny Condoms Different, plus Jo & Hannah Share Some Light on LED Therapy

Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 22 Transcript - 'Is LED Light Therapy Just A Gimmick'

 

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ, the podcast.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm your host, Joanna Fleming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your cohost, Hannah Furst.

Joanna Fleming:
So on today's episode we have a very special guest joining us to talk about condoms, and we are also talking about one of my favorite treatments, which is LED light therapy.

Joanna Fleming:
So we have a guest for today's cringey convo, Bec from Jonny is joining us and if you're listening, you're probably thinking what is Jonny? It is a condom brand, which we are now stocking at Adore Beauty. Welcome back.

Bec Park:
Thank you very much. Thank you both.

Joanna Fleming:
I think we probably want to start with what inspired this brand. There's obviously a lot of condom brands out there, and the ones that we know are probably the ones in Chemist Warehouse and-

Bec Park:
Supermarkets.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, supermarkets.

Bec Park:
Or Seven Eleven's overseas.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, from a friend's personal experience. So what inspired you to create Jonny?

Bec Park:
Oh, that's such a great question and it's not overly complicated. It was literally the three of us sitting down having a chat about our loves, and our lusts, and our one night stands. And from that conversation it was really obvious how similar our experiences were, despite the fact that there was quite a big age difference between the young Bec and me, the old Bec, and still we had the same intimate challenges. When you're in that moment and the guy says, nah, don't worry about it. Say, what? That still exists. Or when you don't, and you're the one that has to go and get the morning after pill, and all that rigmarole that comes with it. And we were just surprised that that same stigma and awkwardness existed. And then we started talking to other people, and other women, they were like, yeah, completely, I'd much prefer to go and get an STI test from the doctor, then I'll be able to insist on putting on condoms.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I can't believe that.

Joanna Fleming:
That's insane. So that was something that you discovered out of doing a survey, is that right?

Bec Park:
Yeah. That was one of the-

Joanna Fleming:
And I think you mentioned that it was quite young women taking part in that survey. That made me really sad that women felt so uncomfortable that they'd prefer...

Bec Park:
They'd much prefer to go to the doctor, and have that conversation with the doctor and the test, and then wait for the test results, than they would to purchase.

Hannah Furst:
And it's probably not something women just openly talk about with each other either, right?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Bec Park:
And that's Jonny. One of our whole purposes is to just get the conversation started because we all have sex.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Bec Park:
And it's really good. mostly. [crosstalk 00:02:39] We all have random experiences which are not that great.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes, it's on a spectrum.

Bec Park:
Practice, practice, practice, that's all I can say. But no, the conversation is that one of the most important parts of that, and that is why it's so much fun working with Jonny, and on Jonny, and all the puns that come with it. But as soon as you break down that conversation barrier and you start talking, and share those experiences, and everything lightens up.

Joanna Fleming:
Was there anything else out of that survey that really surprised you from those results?

Bec Park:
It was more encouraging than Anything from those results. The one about the STIs and preferring to go to the doctor, was a real wow moment for us. It just proved that the stigma has to move. At that time it was 2016, before the Me Too movement had even started. So I was like, wow, we've got to address this, this is crazy. But everything else was more reaffirming to the mission that we had.

Joanna Fleming:
What is the main mission with Jonny?

Bec Park:
To make it as normal as lipstick and hair ties. Buying condoms make it as normal as lipstick and hair ties.

Hannah Furst:
And to be honest, the packaging's so cute.

Joanna Fleming:
It is, yeah.

Hannah Furst:
I took the Weekender traveling with me, and they're so cute. They're pink and gray.

Bec Park:
Yeah. It is really cute branding.

Hannah Furst:
It's really cute branding, and then you put it in your luggage and it doesn't look...

Bec Park:
It could be anything, it doesn't have that chemist packaging.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, it doesn't have the extra extra large written all over it, the half naked chick, or extra smooth.

Bec Park:
Yeah. It's very classy. It's very female friendly.

Joanna Fleming:
So on that, Jonny is meant to be a female friendly brand, is that right? So it's for women to purchase condoms for themselves basically.

Bec Park:
Correct, yeah, that's right. And to feel proud about carrying and using them. We refer to Jonny as a gender neutral brand, so it's not that we're for women exclusively. What we're doing is trying to work with women and talk with women sort of as their best friend is Jonny, and encourage, and have that conversation, and have a bit of fun along the way. But we've got just as many men buying Jonny online, as we do women.

Joanna Fleming:
Interesting.

Bec Park:
Yeah, it's really great.

Joanna Fleming:
Can you talk to me about the little disposable package, because that's something new that I've never experienced.

Hannah Furst:
That's what sets it apart from other brands in the market.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, and again, it was a real girly conversation where that one came from.

Hannah Furst:
I can imagine.

Joanna Fleming:
Can you imagine then we've had some really interesting stories shared by random people as well, about their experiences with disposing of condoms. Crazy.

Hannah Furst:
I know.

Joanna Fleming:
What's the weirdest one you'd heard?

Bec Park:
The dog ate it.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, no. Did they have to take the dog to the vet then?

Bec Park:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
What is the thing of throwing it wherever?

Bec Park:
On the floor.

Hannah Furst:
Why? I don't get that.

Bec Park:
Each to their own, heat of the moment. [crosstalk 00:05:38].

Hannah Furst:
That's why the disposable, it's a genius idea. Talk us through it.

Bec Park:
The important part about Jonny is the be good mantra, be good to self, be good to others, and be good to the planet. And the three of us are very passionate about sustainability, and the environment, and minimizing any impact we can have as individuals, and as the owners of the business on the environment. And one of the key things we came up with in our stories was the fact that disposing of condoms is not only gross, but people still throw them down the toilet, and that is really bad for marine life and our waterways. It's not only expensive but it's really bad for the turtles and the fish.

Bec Park:
We were like, we've got to find a way that we can dispose of discreetly. And so we just did our research and we found a fab little bag, which is designed for pads and tampons to be disposed of, because people throw them down the toilet too. And we went, right, this is it, it's biodegradable, it's made of organic material. It's as minimal as we can get without adding more to the landfill, and let's see how that goes. And people just love it. They value that addition.

Joanna Fleming:
It's such a good idea. Why has no one thought of that already? It's 2020. [crosstalk 00:06:59]

Bec Park:
It's funny, when we first had our first stock arrive, we had a young man helping us unpack it from the truck. And so we opened up the box and we're showing him the condoms. He was loving it, I love the pink and green, that's awesome. I said, they come with a bag for disposal, and he goes, oh good, now I don't have to throw them out the car window. And I said, yeah, please don't. So it was at that moment that I realized not only is it good for women, it's going to be good for guys.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, you must have learned a lot about people on this journey.

Bec Park:
It's great, love humans, they're great.

Joanna Fleming:
Now I know that you're a mum to a teenage daughter. How does she feel about her mum selling condoms? Do her friends come over and you're handing them out like the mum from Mean Girls?

Bec Park:
Oh, it's so funny. I described myself as not the drug dealer, but the condom dealer, the other day. At first, she was about 13 when we started and she was mortified. How could you possibly do this to me? How am I going to tell my friends? She quickly became our biggest advocate. And that was sort of my litmus test as to how quickly the conversation can start. It just normalized it for her. There was not even a question and she would walk into parties with me and go, my mom sells cotton. People would like, what?

Joanna Fleming:
How old is she now?

Hannah Furst:
They're cool condoms.

Bec Park:
17.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh wow, okay. So she's really in that age bracket where her and her friends will be sexually active.

Bec Park:
Exactly, yeah. Active, curious, and they talk about it. So She can break down the conversation with her friends now, and they come to my house and they start having conversations, and I'm like, have you spoken to your mum or your dad about this? And they're like, oh, not yet. And I encourage like, please, talk to your mum and dad, this is really important, here's a pack of Overnighters.

Joanna Fleming:
So with the different packs, can you tell us the difference between each? Because they've all got cute little names.

Hannah Furst:
I know, I love the names. Lover's Dozen is my favorite. I always travel with my Lover's Dozen, how many is that?

Bec Park:
That's 13. [crosstalk 00:08:55].

Hannah Furst:
Don't think I've been through 13 of them.

Bec Park:
You never know, it's our biggest seller.

Hannah Furst:
That's probably people in relationships.

Bec Park:
So that has 13 and that's just our little play on the baker's dozen. I don't know if you grew up with the baker's dozen. The Weekender, which has six condoms, six bags, and the Overnighter has three. That's for a really good night.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, that one's a good night. Sizing.

Bec Park:
Sizing.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, so a friend told me-

Bec Park:
Are you blushing?

Hannah Furst:
No. [crosstalk 00:09:32] A friend told me that the sizing was, I think is it for an average size?

Bec Park:
Yeah, Jonny is.

Hannah Furst:
So she wants to know, will there be other sizes introduced?

Bec Park:
Yes, they will be. We have started with the size that we were advised suits most Australian men.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, that's where we're in a bit of a pickle with Hannah's friend.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. My friend was not Australian.

Bec Park:
Yeah, where was your friend?

Hannah Furst:
My friend's lover was not Australian.

Joanna Fleming:
What rationality was he?

Hannah Furst:
I don't know if it matters though, does it?

Joanna Fleming:
I don't know. Does it, Bec?

Bec Park:
It does.

Hannah Furst:
Italian.

Bec Park:
Yeah, right, okay. European [crosstalk 00:10:16].

Joanna Fleming:
So is there a cultural difference?

Bec Park:
There is. I'm learning so much about penises, it's unreal. So we've gone for the one that sells the most around the world, and suits most Australian men, which I think is 53 mil. So you can go up to 63 and down to about 48, I think, it's a few mil difference. But fit is really important. It's really important for so many reasons, but mostly safety, let alone pleasure.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. So you are going to be introducing new sizes, so how many sizes will you have available?

Bec Park:
We're going to go with the larger size first, because we've got the most request for that, and then we're going to go smaller, probably six months after that. So hopefully this year we'll get the larger sizes in. It's exciting.

Hannah Furst:
I guess from a female perspective, like ever since Jonny, I got given some samples before you launched, and yeah, as a woman it's probably harder to give feedback on like, oh, it was great, or it wasn't great. What sort of the feedback are you getting from men?

Bec Park:
It's great, it's so much fun. I think because it's normal for us now to talk about it, so we're often asking for feedback, and people look at you, like how could you possibly, and then they, oh, really good. There's no issues with the quality of the product, or the sensation of the product, which is really encouraging. And we did a lot of research around that as well to make sure that we've got a good quality.

Joanna Fleming:
They're vegan, aren't they?

Bec Park:
Yeah, they're vegan.

Joanna Fleming:
And I remember you saying it was more difficult to do a vegan version of a condom?

Bec Park:
Yeah, what makes it vegan is the lubricant that they use in the manufacturing, and most larger companies to date have been using a protein, a milk derivative, that helps with the lubrication of it. Whereas ours doesn't. So it's far more natural, still really well lubricated, but it's just not from an animal compound, which is really important.

Joanna Fleming:
So again, an environmentally friendly option.

Bec Park:
Environmentally friendly, yeah, exactly.

Joanna Fleming:
And as a condom brand, you can expand the sizes and things like that, but is there any other sort of new product development that you guys have got going on in the background? If you can share.

Bec Park:
We have a lot of great ideas.

Joanna Fleming:
I bet you do.

Bec Park:
So many things we want to do. At the moment we're about to launch a little bucket hat, which has got nothing to do with condoms, just because it's summer and it's a bit of fun. But no, in terms of product development, we haven't got anything on the cards just yet. We're looking at our own lubricant, which would be great. But the Bonk lube that we sell is from New Zealand and it's all organic, so t's a perfect option at the moment. Right now though the focus is on getting the Jonny message out and that's what's the most fun, the brand.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. And I think the thing that when we launched our sex category, a lot of it was around having a safe and empowering place to just buy these things. Because it's always been, I know from my experience, I don't know why it's been an awkward thing, but when you go to the supermarket and you're like, oh [crosstalk 00:13:28].

Joanna Fleming:
I feel a bit awkward if I've just got to go and buy tampons, and I'm just walking with a box of tampons. I shouldn't feel that way, but there's something about it that just makes you want to hide it.

Hannah Furst:
But it also because it is every single person in the supermarket and you've just got condoms in your basket/.

Joanna Fleming:
You never know who you're going to run into either. And they're like, oh, who are you seeing?

Hannah Furst:
Just stocking up. I really like the fact that now I can just buy them online, just get them with all my beauty stuff. And also I just love the packaging, I'm such a sucker for packaging.

Joanna Fleming:
You really are.

Hannah Furst:
I love them and I also like, the pink or the green, which one tonight?

Bec Park:
That was a really important decision that we made, the keeping it really simple, so that you could be proud of putting them on your bedside table, or on your bathroom shelf, and not feel awkward. If we can have people displaying Jonny like that, or walking out feeling really proud of it, or they spill out of your handbag, and you're not ashamed of it, then we're halfway to achieving our mission of normalizing. It just shouldn't be a problem.

Hannah Furst:
Everyone has sex.

Bec Park:
Everyone has sex, that's why you're here.

Hannah Furst:
Exactly. You here because your parents had sex.

Bec Park:
And might still do.

Hannah Furst:
They hopefully do.

Joanna Fleming:
Hannah talks a lot about her parents.

Hannah Furst:
We're so excited to have... I mean I am.

Joanna Fleming:
I think a lot of people are, we've had so much nice feedback about sex category, so yeah, we're very excited to have that category at Adore, and happy to have Jonny as part of it.

Bec Park:
Thank you very much.

Joanna Fleming:
Thanks, Bec.

Hannah Furst:
Okay, so a bit of a change of pace from condoms.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes, this is one of my favorites.

Hannah Furst:
Condoms was one of my favorites.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, that's just a great episode then, isn't it?

Hannah Furst:
All round great episode.

Joanna Fleming:
It's one of my favorite things to discuss with people.

Hannah Furst:
LED light therapy.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. I talk about this a lot actually-

Hannah Furst:
You do.

Joanna Fleming:
And a lot of people ask me about LED, but I had a particular experience last year with LED that really changed my life.

Hannah Furst:
And made you think differently of it.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, because I really wasn't sure what it was doing. I had a handheld LightStim, which is just a red LED device, and I was using it on my face but I didn't really know how much it was actually impacting anything. And then I was in Vietnam and I had a fall down a-

Hannah Furst:
Are we allowed to show the photo?

Joanna Fleming:
Look, if I get enough requests I will put it on my story.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. Your personal story or Adore story?

Joanna Fleming:
I'm not sure I can put my ass on Adore's story. We'll have to check that.

Hannah Furst:
Why don't you finish the story? We'll have to double check on that one.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I can definitely put my ass on own story. So I fell down a set of marble stairs in Vietnam. So hard on my bum.

Hannah Furst:
This is so not something that would happen to you.

Joanna Fleming:
I know.

Hannah Furst:
She's so graceful.

Joanna Fleming:
Everyone said that.

Hannah Furst:
This is something that would happen to me, not to you.

Joanna Fleming:
It was really random, they were very slippery and I just fell and I hit my head as well. It was very bad.

Hannah Furst:
Did you go to hospital?

Joanna Fleming:
No. I probably should have.

Hannah Furst:
Well, if you hit your head there can be a risk of concussions.

Joanna Fleming:
I was pretty certain I was concussed. So anyway, that's a whole separate issue.

Hannah Furst:
If you fall and hit your head, people, go to the hospital.

Joanna Fleming:
I had this massive, massive bruise on my bum, like my entire ass cheek.

Hannah Furst:
She's not exaggerating. Her whole ass cheek.

Joanna Fleming:
It's the worst bruise you've ever seen. I can guarantee you, it's the worst bruise ever.

Hannah Furst:
Do you bruise easily?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I do. It was like a hematoma under the skin. All the blood had pooled to that area, and it was so swollen and sore, I couldn't sit. Anyway, it was the worst thing ever, it really ruined my holiday. But I got back and I was like, these bruises, honestly going to be there for, I think, 12 weeks. I'm thinking I'm in for three months of recovery here. And so I got my LightStim out and I thought, oh, it's meant to aid in recovery and treating bruises and wounds. Because I'd worked in plastic surgery before Adore, I knew that surgeons had had their patients come in after surgery to use it on their scars. So I was like, I'm just going to try it on my bum, see if it works. So I used the LightStim every day. For probably an hour a day. I'd sit on the couch just with the LightStim on the bum, and, I shit you not, in two weeks this bruise was completely gone. I've got a before and after. It was amazing.

Joanna Fleming:
Since then I was like, this shit is magic. LED is where it's at.

Hannah Furst:
What does it do?

Joanna Fleming:
It's meant to be rejuvenating and it's meant to help the cells to recover. So it's great for treating things like scarring, or bruising, and just aid in general recovery. So you can use it post procedure, but a lot of people just have it for rejuvenation. It can help with anti aging, it can help with pigmentation, it's an all rounder.

Hannah Furst:
What should I be using... I kind of want to do it now.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, we've had it together before.

Hannah Furst:
We did.

Joanna Fleming:
We did have a facial together where we had it.

Hannah Furst:
We had couples facials together.

Joanna Fleming:
We did.

Hannah Furst:
They actually put... Remember we finished and you were taking a video of me, and I was like, I feel like I had a face lift. I couldn't speak and I was like, what's happening? What was that masque that we used?

Joanna Fleming:
I can't remember what it was called. It was a full face one, I don't think you can get it in Australia.

Hannah Furst:
I know what it was called, it was the Voicemail Masque.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, the NIOD one. I thought you meant the LED masque.

Hannah Furst:
No. They put on the Voicemail Masque and then they used LED over the top.

Joanna Fleming:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
And then it came off and then they took the masque off, and my skin was like-

Joanna Fleming:
Super rejuvenated.

Hannah Furst:
Super tight. I felt like a new woman.

Joanna Fleming:
So there's different colors for different things. The red LED is probably the most frequently used in salon, I would say, or in clinic, that can help to address fine lines and wrinkles, collagen production, inflammation. I often use it when I have a rosacea flare up and that really helps me. And then the blue is designed to target acne-causing bacteria, as well as the overproduction of oil. And because it's anti-inflammatory as well, it can reduce that angriness in the skin if you're acne prone.

Joanna Fleming:
At the moment we only have the LightStim for aging, which is the red, but we're actually getting the blue, so I don't know if that's going to be up by the time this episode comes out, but we are getting it, so stay tuned.

Joanna Fleming:
Then the yellow is for radiance. We don't have a yellow in the LightStim, but the yellow you can get in the FOREO UFO.

Hannah Furst:
Yes, I've got one.

Joanna Fleming:
You can actually control the lights using the FOREO app. I do that quite a lot when I'm using my UFO, I just put one of the LED lights on and then use the masque. But yellow is for radiance so that just makes you look beautiful and glowy.

Joanna Fleming:
The ones that you can do at home are not as high strength as what you can have in a clinic. It's just a completely different ballgame, as with most professional treatments, whatever you have in clinic or in salon, is going to be a more intense version. What you have at home is just a little bit less. What I discovered recently is there's actually a clinic in the city, they have an LED lounge.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, I love that. Can we go?

Joanna Fleming:
You can go in and they've got a full lounge set that you just lay on a chair, and they put an LED over you. So if you're on your lunch break and you work in the city, you can pop in there and have an LED.

Hannah Furst:
That sounds really awesome.

Joanna Fleming:
I know. I've thought, can they open one in Northcote so that I can go during my lunch break? But yeah, it is a really, really good treatment, and I am evidence that it works.

Hannah Furst:
How often, if I was not lazy, how often would should I be doing LED?

Joanna Fleming:
You can do it whenever you want.

Hannah Furst:
Really?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. You could do it every day if you wanted to. I probably couldn't be bothered doing it every day.

Hannah Furst:
How often do you do it? You use the LightStim.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I probably do it maybe once a fortnight, once a month.

Hannah Furst:
Do you use it on your rosacea on your cheeks?

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. And if I find I've got a little breakout happening, like about two or three pimples or something in the same area, I'll just hold my LightStim over it, and-

Hannah Furst:
The red one?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Because it reduces the inflammation?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, reduces the inflammation, and it can just aid in repair. So if those blemishes are trying to heal, it just really does make a difference for me. I read a few reviews on the LightStim page as well and other people are having the same experience. They're not even trying to treat anything, they just got off for aging and they're like, wow, this actually works. So I didn't think a light could really make a difference, but apparently it does.

Hannah Furst:
So its called LightStim for wrinkles LED light therapy, it's $340.

Joanna Fleming:
Shit, is it?

Hannah Furst:
That's actually not that bad for something you use every day. If you used it every day.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, if you are having an LED session-

Hannah Furst:
I used a moisturizer the other day that was like 500 bucks. That's, cheap.

Joanna Fleming:
We've just completely lost touch with reality though.

Hannah Furst:
Totally lost touch.

Joanna Fleming:
I guess that's a pretty pricey device, but compared to having 10 sessions of LED in a clinic, if you want to use it as an ongoing thing, might be worth getting one for home. Otherwise you can just try out a few sessions in a clinic and see if it makes a difference.

Hannah Furst:
Other people have this question, is it safe to use on your skin? Because when I think of UV light I think of a solarium situation.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes, it's not the same situation as a UV light. It's not the same kind of wavelength or whatever you call it. It's completely safe to use on the skin. It doesn't cause damage to the skin, like a solarium light can. It definitely is safe to use and shouldn't cause any adverse effects to the skin.

Hannah Furst:
So it delivers UV free light energy.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
That sounds fancy.

Joanna Fleming:
They go, oh, she's reading.

Hannah Furst:
I'm reading.

Joanna Fleming:
So if you'd like to see a picture of my ass on my Instagram story, hit me up.

Hannah Furst:
I can confirm it was the worst bruise I've ever seen.

Joanna Fleming:
I went around the office when I got back showing everyone and everyone was like, oh-

Hannah Furst:
You actually looked like you had done permanent damage to your ass.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I thought I had, I was concerned.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. It looked like you had literally done permanent damage. Although, remember and episode three we were talking about how bruising causes collagen production.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
So one of your butt cheeks was sitting higher than the other.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. So one of them looks just-

Hannah Furst:
So one's sagging and one's really-

Joanna Fleming:
Perky.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, nice. Do not try that at home.

Joanna Fleming:
So products we didn't know we need it, or DWD KWN, as we're now calling it.

Hannah Furst:
We've both chosen hair products today. What have you chosen?

Joanna Fleming:
Mine is the Revlon Professional Nutri Color Creme. I use the shade eight one two which is light pearl. I've been using this toner for, I reckon, a couple of years now. I went much lighter a few months ago and I find that this toner, I just put it in after I've washed my hair, it's like a conditioning treatment as well. It just really takes the yellowness out of my hair and leaves it really creamy and like a pearl shade, which is exactly what I want, because my hair throws a hell of a lot of brassiness. That's what I use to maintain my color. I honestly reckon it's one of the best color toners there is.

Hannah Furst:
Have I told you a secret?

Joanna Fleming:
What?

Hannah Furst:
Have I told you how I used an at home dye on my hair?

Joanna Fleming:
Oh yeah, I was mortified. I don't want to talk about it.

Hannah Furst:
Did we talk about it on this?

Joanna Fleming:
No, we didn't.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God, it was half price at the supermarket, it looked really good. I actually was at the supermarket and I took a photo and put it on my Instagram and was like, I'm feeling wild, or something.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, no, did people reply? And they were like, no, Hannah.

Hannah Furst:
Someone from Redken actually replied and was like, Hannah, come in, we'll get one of our hairdressers to do it, please do not do that at home.

Joanna Fleming:
And you ignored all advice.

Hannah Furst:
I ignored all the advice and I did it.

Joanna Fleming:
It worked out well for you though.

Hannah Furst:
I actually chose ash brown, and it went dark. I'm actually going to do it again.

Joanna Fleming:
I had a really bad boxed dye situation happen to me, and I had to go to Hairhouse Warehouse on a Sunday and I had to have them dye my hair. I had tried to box dye myself-

Hannah Furst:
What did you do?

Joanna Fleming:
A long, long time ago. [crosstalk 00:25:57] And I don't think I had enough dye because my hair was quite long at the time, and it just went black in patches, and then other patches were orange. It was terrible, and I've never done that ever since, I would never do it now, but each to their own.

Hannah Furst:
I know what I said, I said I feel like playing Russian roulette with hair.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
And I thought it'd be a good story, but it actually worked out so-

Joanna Fleming:
It did work out for you.

Hannah Furst:
It's been going orange at the ends though.

Joanna Fleming:
You won't be able to lighten over that though, now that you've box dyed.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Box dyed. I don't plan to go blonde again. I'm just waiting for the college to grow out.

Joanna Fleming:
You should film yourself doing your box dye.

Hannah Furst:
Oh yeah, because I'm going to do it again, because to be honest-

Joanna Fleming:
I don't really want to encourage it though. You've been very lucky that it went well.

Hannah Furst:
I know. I probably wouldn't encourage... If you've got dark hair... I know people that with grays that dye their hair.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, in that kind of situation, you just can't afford to be going to the hairdresser every two weeks.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Judging by the amount of hair dye in supermarkets, it must be quite a popular thing to do.

Hannah Furst:
It must be. I'd love to hear some horror stories.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Tell us your horror stories, send us a DM.

Hannah Furst:
And send us some piccies as well.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes, we want to see before and afters.

Hannah Furst:
The product that I've chosen today, it's actually exclusive to Adore, it's called Color WOW Dream Coat Supernatural Spray. The reason I wanted to talk about this is because J Lo's hairdresser uses it, and you all know how obsessed I am with J Lo.

Joanna Fleming:
And Kim Kardashian as well.

Hannah Furst:
Anything J Lo uses, I'll be using. And as we've spoken about before on this podcast, I've got Hagrid hair. I recently discovered I've been straightening my hair wrong. So what I've been doing, I've got this new straightener technique and I actually used this Color WOW stuff. It protects your hair at humidity and freeze.

Joanna Fleming:
Yep, but like nothing else, it really does create a coat over their hair.

Hannah Furst:
It really, really does.

Joanna Fleming:
The results last up to three washers, did you know that?

Hannah Furst:
Really?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
No, I didn't know that.

Joanna Fleming:
Which sounds ridiculous for people with frizzy hair. They'd be like, that's not possible.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So I washed my hair, I actually used the Color WOW shampoo and conditioner, and then you use quite a lot, from the roots to the ends. And then though the one thing that you do have to do is blow dry your hair. I think that's a thing that you have to do.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, it's heat activated.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. What was really good about this was I did that, and usually my hair lasts three days, and so I blow dried it, straightened it and it was super, you saw it, it was super glossy and soft and smooth. But the best thing about it was that it lasted. It lasted like the whole week, and I didn't have to rewash it, and I didn't have to restyle it, and so there was less heat damage. Overall-

Joanna Fleming:
J Lo's hairdresser's onto a good thing.

Hannah Furst:
J Lo's hairdresser's onto a good thing.

Joanna Fleming:
Chris Appleton is her hairdresser, by the way.

Hannah Furst:
I didn't realize how popular this product was. It's really big in the US, but I didn't even know about it here.

Joanna Fleming:
If you go to Chris Appleton's Instagram page, I think you can see some of the hairstyles.

Hannah Furst:
That sleek, glossy.

Joanna Fleming:
You can see it on Kim when she had the fog, that was with Color WOW.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I think that he did use that with... no, no, no, ah, that sleek-

Joanna Fleming:
That really sleek with her dark hair.

Hannah Furst:
That's what I love. Oh my God, that's what I'm always trying to recreate.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, that's what he used.

Hannah Furst:
So it's actually for my sister's wedding... well, what do you think? Should I do curls or should I do sleek bob like Kim?

Joanna Fleming:
Can you try the dress on for me and then send me a pic, and then we can make a decision?

Hannah Furst:
Okay.

Joanna Fleming:
Are you getting your makeup done?

Hannah Furst:
I'm getting my makeup done, but I'm doing my own hair,

Joanna Fleming:
Who is doing your makeup?

Hannah Furst:
I have no idea.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh my God. What do you mean?

Hannah Furst:
I don't know.

Joanna Fleming:
Hannah, it's in two weeks.

Hannah Furst:
My mum booked.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, your mum booked it? Oh, okay.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I don't have to worry. I do have to get a spray tan. So I'm doing everything but I'm doing my own hair.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Because I'm going to film it and give it a go, but I don't know whether to go sleek bob.

Joanna Fleming:
You have time to film your hair on your sister's wedding day?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Well no, I'd just be doing it anyway. I'd just turn the camera on.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Just time lapse it.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. This is just a regular conversation that we're just having, by the way, you're just listening to it.

Hannah Furst:
Yep. I love filming myself. I've told you this, haven't I? Sometimes I film, myself doing my makeup, just to see how long it took. It takes me about 15 minutes to do a proper full face of makeup.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay, yeah. If I'm really focused and I'm going glam, I'm like an hour.

Hannah Furst:
What the hell? What the hell are you spending an hour on?

Joanna Fleming:
You always say, oh, why does your makeup look so nice? I'm like, because it took me three and a half hours.

Hannah Furst:
I feel like my makeup looks nice up to 15 minutes.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, it does.

Hannah Furst:
Too much contour.

Joanna Fleming:
No.

Hannah Furst:
I've been going crazy on the contour lately.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't know that you've been that bad.

Hannah Furst:
I feel like I've done a lot of contouring lately.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
I spend about five minutes putting just-

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, she's showing me the technique, I'm a bit concerned.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay, well, we'll get an update on Allison's wedding and how you wear your hair.

Hannah Furst:
I'm definitely going to use the Color WOW.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. Even if you curl it.

Hannah Furst:
Even if I curl it I'll need to blow dry it straight anyway.

Joanna Fleming:
Just for the frizz factor, and it just makes your hair so glossy.

Hannah Furst:
And her wedding is in summer, so my frizz factor, oof.

Joanna Fleming:
And we all know that you've got an ex boyfriend there that you've got to impress.

Hannah Furst:
Do you know I had my hair frizzy yesterday, I just let it dry naturally, and my sister was like, is that really your natural hair or have you done something? I was like, no, this is my natural hair.

Joanna Fleming:
What would you have done to it?

Hannah Furst:
I don't know. And she was like, oh, I really just don't feel that you should go. Because I was going for a walk with her and she was like-

Joanna Fleming:
Are you the only one that has that hair in the family?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, mine's the worst. It's so frizzy.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I've seen it. Anyway, thanks for joining us for another episode.

Hannah Furst:
Thank you.

Joanna Fleming:
See you next week.

Hannah Furst:
See you.

Hannah Furst:
So, Jo, I heard that you have betrayed me, and you've been podcast cheating.

Joanna Fleming:
I have been, yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Tell me.

Joanna Fleming:
I've left this, no, I'm kidding. I am on the Beauty Island podcast with Brittany Stewart. She came to our office-

Hannah Furst:
What do you talk about?

Joanna Fleming:
A lot of things actually.

Hannah Furst:
Cringey stuff or just beauty stuff?

Joanna Fleming:
Not really, beauty stuff and how I've ended up where I am. I'm not sure how I did, but yeah, we talk in detail about that.

Hannah Furst:
Nice.

Joanna Fleming:
If you are interested that episode is out now.

Hannah Furst:
Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Fleming:
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