Episode 47: WTF Is An "Inner Facial"?

We're back for another episode of Beauty IQ Uncensored, brought to you by Adore Beauty. 

What’s on this episode? We’re glad you asked...

Hannah & Jo's morning skincare for the day:

Hannah used SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, Aspect Extreme B 17, Aspect Hydrating Serum, Beauté Pacifique Oil-Free Moisturizer (and an unnamed oil!)

Jo used Bioderma Hydrabio H2O Solution Micellaire Cleanser, Alpha-H Vitamin C 25ml, Société Vitamin D Complex, innisfree Derma Green Tea Probiotics Cream - 50ml.

You can shop both our routines here.

Hannah's sleep hygiene checklist:

If you're going through a period of sleeplessness, Hannah is sharing her tips on getting past it from her own personal experience. We recommend consulting your GP or psychologist for professional advice.

You can find the resources Hannah mentioned linked below:

  1. https://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/-/media/CCI/Mental-Health-Professionals/Sleep/Sleep---Information-Sheets/Sleep-Information-Sheet---04---Sleep-Hygiene.pdf

  2. https://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/-/media/CCI/Mental-Health-Professionals/Sleep/Sleep---Information-Sheets/Sleep-Information-Sheet---03---Insomnia-and-Your-Thinking.pdf

  3. https://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/-/media/CCI/Mental-Health-Professionals/Panic/Panic---Information-Sheets/Panic-Information-Sheet---05---Progressive-Muscle-Relaxation.pdf

  4. https://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/-/media/CCI/Mental-Health-Professionals/Panic/Panic---Information-Sheets/Panic-Information-Sheet---03---The-Vicious-Cycle-of-Anxiety.pdf

If you need further support, you can contact Lifeline on 13 11 14.

WTF is an "inner facial"?

We wondered the same thing. The creator of the "inner facial", celebrity facialist Nichola Joss joins us to explain her technique, the benefits of massage, how gua sha and face rollers can fit in your routine, and the benefits of facial oils.

Nichola treats the faces of Kate Moss, Margot Robbie and Meghan Markle sooo she's kind of a big deal.

You can watch Nichola demonstrate her techniques here.

Products we didn't know we needed:

Jo: Hot Tools Black Gold Volumiser

Hannah: Marc Jacobs Daisy EDT

Read our disclaimer here.

Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst

Guests: Nichola Joss

Hannah shares her tips on sleep hygiene plus celebrity facialist Nichola Joss explains exactly what an inner facial is.

Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 47 Transcript - 'WTF Is An "Inner Facial"?

 

Hannah Furst:

Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ, the podcast.


Joanna Fleming:

I'm your host, Joanna Fleming.


Hannah Furst:

And I am your co-host, Hannah Furst.


Joanna Fleming:

What skincare did you use this morning? Because we don't have anything else to talk about. So let's just... What's on our faces?


Hannah Furst:

I absolutely love that idea. Okay. So, this morning... What did I use this morning? I used SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, then I used Aspect Extreme B, and then I use Aspect Hydrating Serum.


Joanna Fleming:

Nice.


Hannah Furst:

And then I used the Beaute Pacifique Oil Free Moisturizer mixed with this new oil, but this brand hasn't launched yet. So I'll just keep-


Joanna Fleming:

Can you tell me what it is now, and Matthew can bleep it out?


Hannah Furst:

Yeah. It's (beep).


Joanna Fleming:

Oh.


Hannah Furst:

That's actually genuinely what I used. And actually what happened was, the moisturizer, what did I say I used for the moisturizer?


Joanna Fleming:

The Beaute Pacifique.


Hannah Furst:

Oh God, I've lost it. The Beaute Pacific actually ran out today. So it was my last pump.


Joanna Fleming:

Oh, shame. Oh, this is a shoutout to them to send you a new one.


Hannah Furst:

Hi, Beaute Pacifique, I need a new moisturizer. What did you use?


Joanna Fleming:

So this morning I did... You know what I've been doing, because I'm trying to avoid that [maskme 00:01:17] situation. So I'm not putting any skincare on when I go out for my walk in the morning, because I'm not even in the sun and I'm like, "Whatever, I need the vitamin D. I'm gone for 15 minutes." So I just do a lap around the block in the morning. I know that's such a risk-taking behavior and not putting the sunscreen on when I'm stepping outside-


Hannah Furst:

So early in the morning, though.


Joanna Fleming:

It's so early. And also it's the middle of winter here, and I'm like, "Is the UV above zero? Probably not." Anyway, that's naughty of me. But I've been going around the block, because I don't want anything on my skin because I find when I've got something on my skin, my face gets much hotter and I feel that it's moist and humid under there.


Hannah Furst:

Maybe you need an oil free moisturizer.


Joanna Fleming:

Well, I've been coming home and then cleansing my face again and then putting my skincare on. So I had already cleansed my face and then I came home, did a Bioderma swipe over my face. And then I put the Alpha-H Vitamin C on. And then I followed that with the Societe Vitamin D, which is new. And that set. I had never heard of a vitamin D serum before, but this is apparently going to be the next big thing.


Hannah Furst:

No.


Joanna Fleming:

So, Societe's vitamin D. And then I did the Innisfree Green Tea Probiotic Cream. I don't actually even know if that's on-site yet, but it's coming. That's a really nice moisturizer. And then I did my sunscreen, even though I'll probably be indoors the whole day. But I sit at a window as you know from our Zoom calls, so I need the sun protection and that's what I put on my face.


Hannah Furst:

Nice. You really caught me off-guard there and I was like, "What did I use?" But I think we both use vitamin C. I'm every morning.


Joanna Fleming:

Yes, same. Yeah. Also, I just have so many nice vitamin C's, so I often rotate them. And I actually have been on, since our interview with Brooke about vitamin C, I've been using that Societe Triple C and it is really, really nice. I really like it as well. So if you're looking for a vitamin C, I really do like that Societe Triple C. It's a very good one. Really nice texture. You know how some things just sit on the skin, it goes in straight away. So you can put anything over the top of it. But yeah, what's on this episode today, Hannah?


Hannah Furst:

Sorry. On this episode, we're talking about not specifically insomnia, but more around sleep hygiene. And then we have an interview with a celebrity facialist. It's-


Joanna Fleming:

Drop the fact that she's Megan Markel's facialist.


Hannah Furst:

Oh yeah. She's Megan Markel's facialist, and the product we didn't know we needed. Neither of us have filled it out.


Joanna Fleming:

Lockdown's going well.


Hannah Furst:

Sorry, cranky combo today.


Joanna Fleming:

Is centered around you Hannah, because we were talking about sleep recently because I think that's one of the things people are really struggling with, especially here in Victoria.


Hannah Furst:

Yes.


Joanna Fleming:

Being locked down it's issues with sleep. And you are... And I know this about you, but you've struggled with sleep a lot throughout your life.


Hannah Furst:

Yes.


Joanna Fleming:

And we thought this is just being good segments to talk about sleep hygiene. What you've dealt with kind of along those lines of insomnia, but talking about what you do and the things that you've implemented to help you with sleep.


Hannah Furst:

Well, what I'll say is insomnia is the most common mental health complaint affecting up to 30% of adult.


Joanna Fleming:

I didn't know that.


Hannah Furst:

Yeah. So my sleep psychologist gave me all of these, they're from the center for clinical interventions website. And so we'll add those to the episode notes. But one of the sheets is insomnia and you're thinking, and it's all around... Basically you have these negative thoughts and then you start to have bad sleep and then you start to have negative thoughts about sleep. Just a really vicious cycle and I've been through it. So if you've been through that, I totally understand what's going on. But what I'll say is I wanted to get Linda... I recorded Linda the other day, because I wanted to give you an idea of the peak of it, how bad it got. So we'll just put that recording in right now.


Linda:

I would be asleep. You had keys to my place and I would be sound asleep. I'm a great sleeper. And you would appear at the end of my bed and shake me on the knee, "mum, mum, mum." And I would jump up, really you could have killed me. It's lucky I'm here today.


Hannah Furst:

All right. So basically the sheet that I'm working off, which was the sheet given by my sleep psychologist is the sleep hygiene sheet. And we'll have a link in the episode notes and there's atleast 15 tips on here. So I actually wanted to go through the ones that I think are the best from my personal experience. And then I've also got a strategy that you can use if you're going through a period of sleeplessness, it works.


Joanna Fleming:

Okay.


Hannah Furst:

Yeah. Stay tuned.


Joanna Fleming:

Looking forward to this, yeah.


Hannah Furst:

I know. All right. So, the first one, bed is for sleeping and sex. And second to that only try to sleep when you're sleepy. So I stay on the couch until I'm tired and I am about to fall asleep. Even if that means I get four hours sleep. I don't care. I do not close my eyes and try until I'm ready to fall asleep.


Joanna Fleming:

So that you're not tossing and turning and trying to force yourself to go to sleep when you're not ready?


Hannah Furst:

Yes.


Joanna Fleming:

Okay.


Hannah Furst:

Yes. I have stuck to this rule ever since I started seeing that sleep psychologist. If you stick to this rule, seriously over time it will really, really change your relationship with sleep and your bed. So I think this is probably my number one tip and it's the easiest, just don't get into bed unless you're having sex or you're going to fall asleep. So what happens is you don't start to form associations with your bed. Your bed becomes the place to sleep. So yeah. Look, if you want to have sex on the couch, you can do that too, if you don't want to associate sexy time with the bed. Anyway, that's probably a bit extreme.


Hannah Furst:

All right. So next, if you can't go to sleep... If you're following step one, step two, shouldn't actually be a problem. But sometimes you get into bed and you get sleepy and then you actually start to wake up. So if you can't go to sleep after 20 minutes, get up, do not stay in your bed for hours. Get up. I have a shower in the dark because raising your body temperature causes you to feel sleepy when your body temperature drops again.


Joanna Fleming:

Oh, okay.


Hannah Furst:

Don't do anything stimulating. Don't have a coffee or something. Just get up, lie on the couch, read a book. The next part of that is do not count how many hours sleep you're getting. If you're like, Oh my God, now it's five hours, now it's four hours, now it's three hours, oh.


Joanna Fleming:

I've done that. I've tortured myself with that before.


Hannah Furst:

So I once went to work on no sleep, zero hours. It is not worth it. So just say to yourself, and I do this all the time. I'll call in sick tomorrow. If I get no sleep, it doesn't matter. My mental health is more important. And also if you have that relationship with your manager and you've been open about it, you can also text them in the morning or whatever and say, hey, I didn't sleep last night. I'm going to start later today. All right. So next one is, and I don't know if many people know this, but alcohol, you think relaxes you, but what goes up must come down. So Google, alcohol and sleep and educate yourself. Because what you'll find is the more aware you are how alcohol affects your sleep the less likely that you'll want to do it. Particularly on a school night. So find what's practical for you. It's not practical for everyone to go, I'm never going to drink again because I want to sleep well. Maybe just on Fridays and Saturdays, and then you don't drink when you've got work so that you feel fresh during the week.


Joanna Fleming:

What about caffeine? Because I know that you drink a long black every morning, which I just love smelling. And I've actually missed that while we being lockdown. I don't drink coffee, but I love the smell of coffee. And whenever you walk in with your long black, I'm like, oh, get into me. So caffeine, you have one in the morning, but do you stop yourself from having one later?


Hannah Furst:

So I used to drink three coffees a day, one in the morning, one at lunch and one late afternoon. You got to stop that vicious cycle. Try to break it. I never ever drink coffee after 1:00 PM now. And most days I only have one coffee at 9:00 AM.


Joanna Fleming:

Okay.


Hannah Furst:

That will really improve the way that you sleep. Because a long black is super strong. So next, if you don't sleep the night before, try to stay up until the next night. And this has happened to me, is I won't sleep. I'll have two hours sleep and I'll wait until the next night to go to sleep. Try not to nap. And if you do nap, limit it to 30 minutes. In fact, this is bad sleep hygiene. I use to not sleep and then I'd sleep until 3:00 PM.


Joanna Fleming:

Oh, yeah. That's a cycle you can't end, isn't it?


Hannah Furst:

The last one is look they do have all of these healthy lifestyle things, like exercising, eating well. Exercise is important, but I don't think it's the most important. The best tip is don't go to your bed until you're tired.


Joanna Fleming:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).


Hannah Furst:

All right. Now the strategy, if you're going through a period of sleeplessness, this is what I find works. So week one, you set yourself a schedule that you can only sleep from. 1:00 AM to 6:00 AM. So progressively over a number of weeks start to go to bed earlier. So week two, you might do one till seven. And then week three, you might do 12 till seven. Actually what happens is because you tell yourself you can't go to bed, you actually, all you want to do is go to sleep.


Joanna Fleming:

Oh, that's great. Reverse psychology then, isn't it?.


Hannah Furst:

So what this will do, it'll really tie you out, so by the end of week one, you'll just be so tired. Because what people with insomnia probably tend to do is they end up napping or they end up sleeping in, or... But you just cannot sleep in. Get up at six, go to bed at one. It's very rigid and regimented, but it really, really works. And that's it. That is simple as it is.


Joanna Fleming:

It sounded really straightforward.


Hannah Furst:

It is really straight. I was shocked.


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah. No, It is. Those are really good tips actually. And you know what we'll do on a future episode as well is talk about teeth grinding. Because that also relates back to sleep again. And I know so many people who've gone through teeth grinding phases or constant teeth grinders and there's a lot of different things that you can do for it. I went through a phase of teeth grinding when I was in a really stressful job. Hannah, so I can relate to this late issue because I would wake up with the source jaw and a massive headache every morning. So yeah, I can definitely relate to that.


Hannah Furst:

Yes. So, I really hope that was helpful for anyone that is going through a period of sleeplessness, because I really feel for you it is horrible.


Joanna Fleming:

For today's episode we are speaking to someone pretty special. We have Nicola Joss who is a celebrity facialist joining us. Welcome to the show. Nicola


Nichola Joss:

Thank you so much for having me


Joanna Fleming:

We very happy to have you here because you actually created a concept called The Inner Facial. Which I'll be honest, I thought was going to be something completely different to what it actually is. But you've treated the faces of some really high profile clientele like Kate Moss, Scarlett Johansson, I think Megan Markle as well and Maga Robbie. Can you explain to us exactly what The Inner Facial is?


Nichola Joss:

So my whole ethos is about massage and about making the facial structure look better with massage, improving the skin, the texture, the tone and the contours, as well as the skin, refining the pores. But also for me, years and years and years of doing massage, I realized that actually we needed to get to those internal muscles because with massage, you're removing tension stress from the muscle tissue and also from the muscle memory. So you're improving the structure of the face and the contours of the facial, removing tension and stress, which causes aging. When you hold tension, stress in your muscles that also causes toxins to be held. So when we massage the muscle, we remove all that. And we actually work with the lymphatic system for drainage. So it removes puffiness as well and sluggishness, it resets the endocrine system and also it boosts the immune system, which is super important, especially even more so now with what we're going through.


Nichola Joss:

So I then kind of don't gloves and thought... Coming from a biology background and having done all that schooling, I understand how the body works, how easily the body works. So I really managed to discover where the muscles are that had tension inside the mouth. So by using gloves and using just one, my index finger and going and in very gently manipulating the muscle tissue, especially around the jaw line and under the cheekbone, it kind of lifts the muscle internally and it removes that deepest point of tension and stress. So I played with like my sister and my mom, and really good girlfriends to figure this out. I mean, I spent a couple of years in Indonesia training with a massage therapist who was a healer and he used to do that to eradicate pain and depression from his clients that he worked with. And he worked with predominantly clients that were struggling with terminal illnesses. So I kind of learned a little bit about what he was doing and then I redefined it into [inaudible 00:14:43] beauty.


Hannah Furst:

I love that. I really could have used that the other night when I had my migraine Joe, couldn't I?


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah, you definitely could have.


Hannah Furst:

I always try to massage myself, but it's never the same as getting a massage, is it? Does the facial technique, do they know it's coming or does it catch clients by surprise? And does it also, like once they're getting the massage, does it take a little bit of time to get used to it?


Nichola Joss:

I mean, they're great questions. Everyone asks that, unless of course you've come for a facial. I never spring on anyone. I mean, the thought we'd be insane actually. It's quite inversive let's be honest. I mean, you don't really go for a facial and expect someone to be sticking their fingers in your mouth. Yeah. People book in for that facial specifically because they can read about it. And it's kind of what I'm known for, I guess in my industry, it's what I'm infamous for perhaps. So they know what's coming, they book it. And if they don't, however, at the beginning of every single treatment with our clients and this goes from my team as well, we sit down with our client and we go through a full consultation. We really find out what they want to achieve, what their concerns are, what their goals are, just like a regular consultation.


Nichola Joss:

But also we do sit down and talk to them about the amount of massage that we do and why we do massage and how it helps with absorption of products and energy levels and refining and improving the skin and everything that I mentioned earlier. And we do then say, there is an aspect of the facial where we actually work from inside of the mouth. Now, when you're working at that really close level, very intimately, you have to ask them for their permission. So we ask them for their permission at the beginning, then we also mentioned to them, okay, so it comes near the end of the facial. It's a very minimal part of the treatment, but it's very integral to what we're doing. So we then ask them for their permission again, after we've kind of gone halfway through the facials, just to make sure that they have an understanding and they're comfortable with what's going on.


Nichola Joss:

If I'm honest with you, most people are like, yeah, can we do it now? Can we just can get in and do the whole thing. Because a lot of my clients struggle with TMJ and you hold all your emotional stress intention around your mouth area and along your jawline. So I don't know anyone that doesn't struggle with emotional stress and tension anywhere on a regular day. So pretty much everyone they're up for it.


Joanna Fleming:

I'm up for it. If I was based in the UK, I'd be down for this treatment.


Nichola Joss:

Maybe we'll get there next year.


Hannah Furst:

Speaking of that, are there many techniques that our listeners can actually try at home? Or is this like a, do not recommend, don't try this at home.


Nichola Joss:

No. You absolutely can. I mean, the thing is with my facial is you can do most of the moves that I show you. I do alive Instagram TV every single night at 8:00 PM UK time. And I've done that every single night in lockdown, teaching my community globally, how to do facial massage moves. I also offer an online virtual skincare consultation session and an online virtual massage class where I teach you one to one. So we'd be like in a zoom class doing a one to one session. And I have really easy moves for the inside of the mouth that I teach my clients that... Definitely not the moves that I do in clinic, because you have to be very specialized in what you're doing. And every month is different and every muscle structure is different, but there are two or three moves almost like generic moves that everyone can do that will help to ease the pressure inside the mouth. And it lifts the cheek as well and lifts that cheekbone area and softens the jaw line. So yeah, there's definitely some moves I can teach you guys.


Joanna Fleming:

So is that good for teeth grinders then, people who get really quite sore through the jaw?


Nichola Joss:

Absolutely. It's phenomenal for that. Also for people that struggle with very heavy headaches or migraines, it helps to eradicate that and sometimes remove it, but definitely make the symptoms far less.


Joanna Fleming:

Sounds like that's up your alley, Hannah.


Nichola Joss:

Easiest thing to do. Once you understand what you're doing inside the mouth and as I said, it's was very simple, I would never teach you kind of difficult moves to do and something you'd be very comfortable with. And it's just using your thumb. Obviously you're wearing surgical gloves so that everything is clean and you're using your thumb. And you're basically putting your thumb on the inside your mouth, using your index finger on your cheek, on the outside to guide the movement. And you're just going around the full counter of the cheek if you like, starting from the lip area and working all the way along the jaw up to underneath the cheekbone at the back and then following through all the way to the nose. So it's like a big curve, a C shape, and it's really easy move to do. And then the other one you would do is just kind of massage the masseter, the cheek muscle, give it big circular massage, it's from the inside. And the release of tension is quite phenomenal.


Joanna Fleming:

We get a lot of questions about this. Do you have any thoughts on our skin care tools like Gua Sha, Jade rollers and Microcurrent devices?


Nichola Joss:

I love Gua Sha. I think they're phenomenal. We also use those in our teachings, a Jade roller, I think I've been using for about 25 years. So these are tools that are really great to help again, define the contours and remove any stress and tension and it give you a sense of calming. Also the stone tools are cold, so the coolness can help reduce any redness and again, just give a sense of calmness to the skin. They're great. I mean, if you're going to use a Gua Sha, you would use the Rose Quartz in the morning because Rose connects to your heart and opens up your energy. So would get your body ready for the day. And if you have the Jade one, so a Jade Roller or the Jade Gua Sha, that's something you use in the evening, because Jade pulls your energy back into your heart. So closes your system down. You don't want to have your system open and awake while you're trying to get to sleep. So those are the two things I would say with regards to Gua Sha.


Joanna Fleming:

Oh, that's so my vibe, I love my crystals.


Hannah Furst:

It's so you vibe, she love crystals.


Joanna Fleming:

Yes. I wanted to ask you about facial exercises because we've spoken about massage, but I've seen you do videos of like the vowel annunciation and stuff like that. What's the benefit of doing that kind of facial exercise between treatments like facial massage?


Nichola Joss:

Okay. So yeah, actually the vowel exercise, a really interesting exercise because it was taught to me by an actor. When you're using vowels to do exercises, it uses every muscle from the upper cheekbone to right down to the breastbone. So write down the neck area and the clavicle. And what I always say to my clients is look in the mirror a very relaxed face, have your eyes open and then over-exaggerate, and almost saying the vowels will really help to tone and remove any tension. But also that helps with the lymphatic system around the neck area. So you're draining puffiness as well. So yeah, it's a really important one and it wakens you up. So it's a nice morning thing to do.


Joanna Fleming:

And I've noticed you love a facial oil. And I think a lot of people are a little bit scared of facial oils. Are there any skin types that can't use them?


Nichola Joss:

Facial oils nowadays again, are so well developed and so beautifully blended with really high grade ingredients that you can use a facial oil on acneic skin all the way through to very dry dehydrated mature skin or weather beaten skin. It's about looking at the ingredients in the blend. So you would focus on an oil for your skin type. If you're not sure if your skin type that's when you would go and take professional advice. But for instance, a facial oil with a Ylang Ylang in it is really good for sensitive aconeic skins. So even those that have acne that's disruptive on the skin, you can have an element of massage with an oil there, or I may use a massage bomb or an oil serum mix for an oilier skin so that you're not putting a dense amount of oil onto the topical parts of the skin, but it will definitely help.


Nichola Joss:

And when you have congested skin or breakouts, it actually helps even more because what you're doing is you're stimulating the blood circulation. So you're actually moving everything and you're encouraging the limps to really drain any congestion or toxin. So there are all different types of oils for each skin type and skin tone. So, that's really important to know. And I think it's just about being very cautious and careful, and perhaps choosing a brand that specialize in using the right ingredients for different skin types. Like Decleor are phenomenal at using facial oils and different types of ingredients for all skin type. Oskia and other brand, Medik8, Herbivore. They're many, many brands they do that properly.


Joanna Fleming:

Of course we have to ask, what does a celebrity facialist use on her own skin? Do you have any favorite products or ingredients that you can share with us?


Nichola Joss:

Yeah. I mean, I do switch it up a lot because there are a few different brands I like to have different offerings for my skin. I mean, I always use a facial oil or facial bomb and I tend to gravitate towards Decleor for their massage bombs because I love the textures and ingredients are so high grading. I also really, really love the brand Augustinus Bader and I use the rich cream from there. Now, when I'm using that brand, I tend to just use it in the morning on very clean skin because it doesn't work with other skincare products. Tata Harper, I'm a huge fan of. I love Luma tea because I take their supplements, but again, I use their nutrient oils, so I use that brand. I'm also a huge fan of the South African brand Esse, I don't know if you guys are aware of this brand.


Joanna Fleming:

No. I haven't heard of that one. But I love that you're just pulling things off your shelf as you go. No, I like this one too.


Nichola Joss:

Yeah, I have them all there, it's easy. I actually come to my office now to do my skincare in the morning. It's just my new lockdown routine. And I kind of like that everything's on my shelf. Esse is a South African brand that I discovered over a year ago, and they're packed full of probiotics and prebiotics. Now as I'm an advocate of probiotic to take for your internal system. Anyway, I'm a huge fan of believing that you create your beauty from within. So if your gut is healthy and you're eating correct foods, and you're taking the right supplements, inevitably, you're going to grow better skin. So your future skin is going to benefit.


Nichola Joss:

Esse's a huge believer with regards to the microbiome of the skin. And I'm all about the microbiome. So when I discovered this brand, I used it on myself for about, I don't know, maybe two or three months. And then I started giving it to my special people that I know give me the right return on feedback. And I now incorporate it into my clinic and also into my consultations that I do online. It's phenomenal. They're all about getting this, rewilding the skin and getting them healthy. So that's a big brand for me.


Joanna Fleming:

Well, you've given us a lot to think about I'm going to go and Google quite a few of those things. Now I'm dying to try Augustinus Bader because we don't really have access to it here in Australia. So I am very, very keen to try that. Because I've heard amazing things. So if you say I need to try it, I'm going to try and get it overseas.


Nichola Joss:

I think the funny thing is my global clients, because I have a lot of global clients, because I'm doing my online skincare. I can get products to you because we source everything and send them in a box, just say.


Joanna Fleming:

Okay. So we know to hit you up then. Stay on the call, we'll arrange this later. Thank you so much for joining us today. Nicola, it's been great to chat to you.


Nichola Joss:

It's been such a pleasure. Always goes so quickly. And I always enjoy these types of things. So it's been a pleasure and I hope I answered all your questions.


Joanna Fleming:

Absolutely, you definitely did. Thanks. Products we didn't know we needed Hannah. You've got a story for us.


Hannah Furst:

It's not really a story. It's we started stocking Marc Jacobs Daisy and it gave me so many memories. Because when I was-


Joanna Fleming:

Same.


Hannah Furst:

Yeah, because I used to wear this. This was my signature fragrance throughout my twenties.


Joanna Fleming:

I never had it, but I had a best friend that wore it.


Hannah Furst:

It's such a beautiful floral.


Joanna Fleming:

Everyone knows what Daisy smells like. Literally everybody.


Hannah Furst:

What I love is... The reason I probably don't wear it anymore is because it's, I'm reading the product description, youthful optimism meets the pure joy of spring time. And I'm like, well I'm no longer youthful optimistic. So no wonder I stopped wearing it. It is such a fresh young fragrance. I think it's such a perfect fragrance. I just remember always wearing this and my mom would always bring Daisy back duty free because it was like my signature scent.


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah. I think it's a classic.


Hannah Furst:

And she also brought me the rollerball. So I basically, I had all the rollerballs, I had the Daisy, the original, and then I also had the Daisy love. I had like four different Daisy's. It just so reminds me of my youth. And it reminds me being young and fun and flirty.


Joanna Fleming:

My youth fragrance was Calvin Klein in2u. I don't even know if they sell that anymore. It seemed like a watt bottle and it twists open.


Hannah Furst:

And what's the scent.


Joanna Fleming:

I can't even remember what it smells like, to be honest with you. That was my teenage years perfume. And I loved it.


Hannah Furst:

Nice.


Joanna Fleming:

I can't remember what it smelled like, but I'm sure if I smell it in the street, I'd be like, that used to be my sense.


Hannah Furst:

Yeah, anytime I smell these, it's like that's the scent of my you. So it's really funny now that my youth was all about floral and fun and youthful optimism. And now I'm wearing Juliette has a gun superdose, which is [urebise 00:29:01], super clean, super pure, super neat, unique.


Joanna Fleming:

But you're also into leathery, masculine candles as well. So that says a lot about you.


Hannah Furst:

Anyway.


Joanna Fleming:

I got this product, I actually went and drove to Megan's house in our team and pick this up from her before stage four. And I just wanted to try it in my head to see if I could make it work for me. So as everybody knows, I've got really fine flat hair, but I've got a lot of hair. And I find that whenever I have a blow wave, like in a salon, it looks really, really good. It doesn't last very long, but I love the look, because I don't like to wear my hair dead straight. So I got the hot tools, Black Gold Volumizer, It is a hot brush. I don't know if everyone has seen those hot brushes. It's just a round brush and then it blows heat out. So you can dry and style your hair at the same time. So I was like, is this going to be really hard to use? It is a little bit difficult to maneuver at the start, because you don't really know what you're doing and it's pretty bulky.


Joanna Fleming:

But it gives your hair... I don't know how to blow wave my own hair. It's very challenging. Shout out to anybody who can blow wave their own hair because that is quite a challenge to use a hairdryer and around brush at the same time. I don't know how people do that. I think Sophia do it all the time. I'm like, how you do that in your hair. I tried these hot tools, Black Gold Volumizer and I'd seen this picture of Sophia Richie on her Instagram and I was like, oh, I really want to recreate that. It's where she's got the ends of her hair tucked under towards her chin.


Joanna Fleming:

So I tried to do that on my hair and it actually worked and it looked really good. And so now I really like these volumizer. I don't do it on my hair from wet. I kind of 80% dry my hair and then I use that to kind of give it a bit more body instead of it being dead straight and flat. And it definitely does give fine hair a bit more volume and just movement. If you don't like wearing your hair dead straight and you just want a little bit of body through it, it's perfect for that. And yeah, I found I really liked it. I've kind of found a new head tool that I can use instead of a straightener.


Hannah Furst:

Nice.


Joanna Fleming:

So that's mine.


Hannah Furst:

Before I forget, oh my god, the new Bachelor is my type to a T.


Joanna Fleming:

Oh, why didn't you apply? You know, my mum said to me the other day, she goes, "Why don't you go on The Bachelor?" I was like, I'm [crosstalk 00:31:20].


Hannah Furst:

I know. I'm so annoyed. If all the seasons to apply for-


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah.


Hannah Furst:

Because you wish you'd applied for what? Manny J season?


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah.


Hannah Furst:

Yeah. And so I wish, oh, Locky Gilbert. What a spunk? He is so my-


Joanna Fleming:

Who is he? Where's he from?


Hannah Furst:

Doesn't he look like my type though?


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah, he does, for sure.


Hannah Furst:

Of all the bachelors I am so upset. Maybe I can go on as like, what? Because they've stopped filming.


Joanna Fleming:

An intruder.


Hannah Furst:

Can I go on as an intruder?


Joanna Fleming:

Maybe I think it's about to air. But it might be a bit late. You could email them. Can the producers of The Bachelor please contact us as soon as possible. My email is...


Hannah Furst:

Because you never had any bachelors that I like and this guy is really spunky.


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah, I think he is your type. I'm pretty sure he's from Survivor.


Hannah Furst:

Yeah. No, he is from Survivor.


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah. Okay.


Hannah Furst:

Yeah. There's a photo of him on Survivor looking very rugged and masculine.


Joanna Fleming:

Definitely your type. He'd be into moving to Thailand. For sure.


Hannah Furst:

For sure. We could move to a desert Island and he would, hunting.


Joanna Fleming:

Yeah. Love that for you.


Hannah Furst:

Anyway, see you next time, everyone. Bye. Thanks everyone for joining us today.


Joanna Fleming:

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