Episode 46: Hannah's Shortcut To Managing Frizz & Brassiness

We're back for another episode of Beauty IQ Uncensored, brought to you by Adore Beauty. 

What’s on this episode? We’re glad you asked...

Firstly, here's the Vagisil/Scomo Tik Tok that made our week:

@ratboi3000

Mfw theres a whole industry devoted to telling ppl their natural state is wrong and unclean ##stopit ##iwilldieonthishill ##foryou ##vagisil ##fyp

♬ original sound - liambrady01

Why do you poop more on your period?

Resident GP Dr Lucinda not only joins us to chat about why you might have more frequent bowel movements when you're menstruating (which apparently Hannah has never experienced?) but she also shares a very funny Bumble dating story with us that we almost couldn't believe - at least it ended well!

You can follow Dr Lucinda on Instagram here.

Hannah had a keratin treatment:

Hannah went and had a keratin treatment because as we know, she's our beauty guinea pig, so she told us all about it - including what happens during the treatment, what you should use on your hair afterwards, and most importantly, what NOT to use on your hair afterwards.

To maintain her smooth, frizz-free tresses, Hannah is using Goldwell Kerasilk Control Shampoo, Conditioner and Mask, which you can shop here.

To maintain her colour, Hannah is using evo Fabuloso Cool Brown Colour Boosting Conditioner.

And for removing brassiness in brown hair, Hannah and Jo both recommend Redken Color Extend Brownlights Shampoo.

Products we didn't know we needed:

Jo: Designer Brands Eye See You Mineral Eye Shadow - Fired Up

Hannah: KORA Organics Noni Glow Skinfood 6g 

Oh, and let's not forget our comfy pants recommendations - Hannah's recommendation is the Lulu Lemon Wunder Under pants, and Jo's recommendation is the Cotton On Body Supersoft Slim Fit Pants. Not sponsored, just comfy.

Read our disclaimer here.

Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst

Guests: Dr Lucinda Raudaschl

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl is here to discuss why you might have more frequent bowel movements while menstruating. Plus Hannah shares her experience of getting a keratin treatment.

Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 46 Transcript - 'Hannah's Shortcut To Managing Frizz & Brassiness'

 

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ, the podcast.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm your host, Joanna Fleming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your co-host, Hannah Furst. I am working a bit more on the dating podcast and as part of that, I've got this new [inaudible 00:00:13] profile. Anyway, I'm not going to go into it. But what I wanted to do was I have this photo of me smiling and this guy responded to the photo and he said, "When you smile, it looks like everything on your face smiles with you. Your cheeks, your hair, nose, eyes... everything. Love heart emoji." Do you know how I know this is a pick up line?

Joanna Fleming:
How?

Hannah Furst:
Because I have Botox around my eyes and there's no way that my whole face... I'm not one of those people where my whole face smiles with my smile.

Joanna Fleming:
That's a really nice compliment. Yeah, the top half of your face, if you were wearing a face mask, you would not be able to tell in the top half of your face that you were smiling.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. And if there's any Botox shamers out there, please just don't, like I don't.

Joanna Fleming:
She'll live her own life.

Hannah Furst:
I live my own life. I get Botox. Let's move on. But yeah, I just thought that was really funny because I was like, I wanted to write back and be like, "Not possible. I get Botox."

Joanna Fleming:
You just left it?

Hannah Furst:
To be honest, it was a bit, I'm not kind of into that.

Joanna Fleming:
He's not a reformed bad boy with that kind of compliment.

Hannah Furst:
Way too nice, not reformed bad boy. So anyway, another thing that you found, you've been on TikTok as always, and you found, Oh my God, I almost died with laughter.

Joanna Fleming:
Actually, Megan in our team sent these to me, I was like Hannah has to see these immediately and we'll post the video in our episode notes so that you guys can go and actually see it because visually it's a masterpiece.

Hannah Furst:
But can we just like put a little bit of the audio in here because it's Scott Morrison and his thoughts on Vagisil.

Scott Morrison:
I can't be more blunt about it. Stop it, it's not sensible. It's not helpful. It is not necessary. It is not something that people should be doing.

Joanna Fleming:
Now on dating stories, we actually have a guest on for our cringey combo today and she has a dating story for us because she lives in Sydney. So, she's free. So, she's going to share a dating story with us. So, that is Dr. Lucinda, our resident GP. We're also talking about your keratin treatment, Hannah. And of course our products we didn't know we needed.

Hannah Furst:
Did you get the cringey combo? Or that we're just skipping that?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, the cringey combo.

Hannah Furst:
Jo, let me do that for you. So on this week's episode, why does your period make you poop more? And then I'm talking about my keratin treatment and of course the products we didn't know we needed.

Joanna Fleming:
So I think today's cringey combo is a little bit topical for me because I'm about to get my period. So, this was actually perfect timing for me, but this request came in from someone in our team who I'm going to leave anonymous because I don't know if she wants everyone to know that she'd put this request in.

Hannah Furst:
I think that's the right thing to do.

Joanna Fleming:
But she said, "Can you please talk about why having your period makes you poo more?" And I was like, "That is a great question. We should definitely get a doctor on to ask that." And so we thought we'd bring on Dr. Lucinda, who is our resident GP at Beauty IQ Uncensored. And you're going to answer that question for us because we don't actually know. And I was on a walk with one of my other friends and I said, "Do you know why that happens?" She was like, "No, but that's a great question." So I'm sure a lot of other people are thinking it.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
I'm literally so glad that people are into like asking these really open and honest questions actually, because the thing is, is that like pooing loads on your period is totally normal. And apparently, just because there's been loads of studies and loads of brave women out there who have even had like balloons put up their bottoms just to like let us know about gut sensitivities and stuff, which is really sweet. But basically around like 30% of women can have diarrhea and stuff on their periods and that's totally normal. And there's a couple of different theories as to why, although like there's nothing that's in solid evidence. And so the most common theory is related to sort of hormone changes in our period. So for example, the most common one is a hormone called prostaglandin, which is secreted by our womb lining to help our womb contract to shed the lining from the womb which causes our period.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
And they feel that that hormone may possibly leak into our gut muscle, which also may lead that to contract as well. And then obviously that can cause things like pain and bloating and also diarrhea. But then we've also got some other hormonal changes that are going on throughout our menstrual cycle like with progesterone and estrogen, for example. And where you may find that you have sort of like diarrhea during your periods, some people may even get constipation sort of mid-cycle just around like the ovulation time. And that's thought to be related to this progesterone estrogen increase, which basically slows down your gut, making you constipated. And then when those sort of like levels deplete, they think that that may have the opposite effect and makes food sort of move faster through your gut tract as well, causing diarrhea, which is really, really interesting. But other than that, there's other sort of reasons related to it.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
So things like stress and anxiety and like our mood changes can have a big impact on our gut. And I don't know if your colleague might have IBS, for example, like irritable bowel syndrome, because the studies have shown that people with irritable bowel syndrome with gut sort of conditions in general and also things like endometriosis, which is where you have patches of your womb lining in sort of other parts of your body more commonly through your gut. They are definitely increased risk of having sort of gut-related symptoms during their period, like diarrhea and bloating and pain and stuff. So yeah, those are basically the theories as to why.

Joanna Fleming:
That explains a lot for me because I have constant gut issues and I always have something go wrong around my periods.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Same literally.

Hannah Furst:
And I don't, so that would make sense because I don't have the same...

Joanna Fleming:
Have you never had diarrhea or anything around your period, Hannah?

Hannah Furst:
I've never like when, when this topic was written in the schedule, it was just put into my calendar, "Why does your period make you poop more?" And I was like, "Hmm..." I'm like, I don't think I've ever, I don't think I've experienced that. So [crosstalk 00:06:54]...

Joanna Fleming:
You should ask your sisters, see if they've experienced it.

Hannah Furst:
Do you know what though? I, the reason I probably don't know is because my period just surprises me one day. I don't count. I don't know the date. I have no idea when it's coming, but I wear panty liners every day so it really doesn't matter if it surprises me. So, I guess I just probably don't really like think about it too much. So, next time I get my period, I'm going to take note of my bowel movements, Jo, and I'll let you know what happens.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. Yeah. Keep a diary.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
It's literally hilarious because like I cannot wait for my period because that's when the bowel actions occur. It's like that backlog that you're waiting for. It goes to town. So I know exactly when my period's happening. It's the weirdest thing ever.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, it's a good warning isn't it?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
It totally is.

Joanna Fleming:
I was going to ask a question around being on the pill because you mentioned that hormone prostaglandin, but does that still happen when you're on the pill and you're getting, I guess, a fake period in some ways like does that still occur? Or am I just getting like diarrhea for no reason? And I think it's attributed to my period?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
No, that's actually a really, really good question because the pill totally does regulate your cycle and it actually prevents your normal ovulation track. So being on the pill can actually help people who suffer, especially like with IBS and stuff like that and get these sort of cramps and diarrhea. And even, as you probably know, like if you get really bad painful periods and even mood swings, it can help stabilize all of that because it's got you on a set level of hormone of progesterone and estrogen. When it comes to prostaglandin stuff though, apparently something that one can use if you know where you are at in your period. So about one to two days beforehand, you can take ibuprofen because that actually inhibits the prostaglandin, which is really interesting. So, that's sort of a theory if you're looking down like the medication side of things.

Joanna Fleming:
And does cramping, like getting period cramps, can that drive bowel movements at all? Does it have anything to do with that?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Yeah. So that's where the prostaglandin sort of theory comes into it where you've got that hormone that's released to contract the womb that may leak out into the bowel gut lining to contract the bowel lining.

Joanna Fleming:
So that's what the contractions are caused by?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Right. Okay. This should be a medical podcast, I think. I'm really into this information.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Yeah, totally.

Joanna Fleming:
And we've had a lot of requests around talking about the pill as well. So, let's cover that in another episode because we've kind of covered off the pooping more on your period situation. So maybe on another episode we can talk a little bit more about the pill because I know a lot of people have questions around whether it's safe to take or how long should you be on it for? Or like when should you come off it when you want to get pregnant and stuff like that. So that could be a really interesting episode, I think, because Hannah, I know we're definitely planning pregnancies over here, aren't we?

Hannah Furst:
Ha, ha, yes totally. Jo, have we finished talking about poop because I have some dating questions?

Joanna Fleming:
Go right ahead.

Hannah Furst:
All right. So, I went on a walk as we spoke about in a previous episode. I went before stage four lockdowns. I went on walk with a doctor and I said to him, I was like, because I've been asking all the doctors that I know this, I'm like, "Is working as a doctor as sexy as Grey's Anatomy? Like, are you getting as much action?" He said there was a little bit of that going around.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Oh my God. Do you know what though? Guys are totally different.

Hannah Furst:
So, are you saying that my Grey's Anatomy fantasies of working as a doctor isn't quite true?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
I think like as a guy, like I've definitely... Okay, right. Listen, yeah. I can obviously speak from the UK clearly, but I'm sure it goes around everywhere, but the guys definitely get more action than the ladies, I have to say. Because like the thing is, I used to be like, Oh, there's their nurses, like female nurses on the ward and stuff. Whereas there's barely any male nurses so they've got obviously a lot of that going on, a bit of flirting. Christmas parties are just wild. So yeah, they're quite lucky the guys are. But I don't know, depends what you want as a lady as well.

Hannah Furst:
I would watch Grey's Anatomy as a young woman and immediately I was like, "Okay, I want to be a doctor." Like not for any other reason except I was like McDreamy and McSteamy. I'm like, "If this is what the doctor's are like, like I'm in."

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Oh my days, it's so like not reality though.

Joanna Fleming:
I must say none of the plastic surgeons or cosmetic surgeons I ever worked for were along those lines either, Hannah. So I don't know if it's maybe a bit of an illusion. But can I ask, is the medical knowledge in Grey's Anatomy accurate?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Do you know what? At times, I've learned stuff from Grey's Anatomy, not going to lie. At times, it has been very good.

Joanna Fleming:
Wow.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Other times you're just sort of like, "What are they talking about? And that is a [inaudible 00:12:00] wrong." So it's just yeah, it's very variable, but they love the weird and the wonderful, which is like totally especially what hospital medicine is about. It's like, "Oh, what's that really rare autoimmune disease that you'll see like maybe once in a lifetime? We should definitely exclude that one because I saw it on Grey's Anatomy."

Joanna Fleming:
Right. Okay. Well anyway, thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. Lucinda, we've learnt a lot about pooping on your period. So I hope everyone enjoyed that content and they're shaking their heads along with us going, "Oh my God. Yes. I totally was wondering that as well." So we'll have you on again, maybe talk about the pill or something else completely unrelated, which is probably likely because Hannah and I like to go off on tangents. So...

Hannah Furst:
You're open to talking about dating, we're here for it. You're allowed to date in Sydney.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
I know. Dating in Sydney is like, legitimately, this is the funniest situation I've ever been in my life. So like I've never done like dating apps and stuff like that. And I was like, "Okay, I'm just feeling a bit of a dating app. Let's see what's going on." So, downloaded the classics, Hinge or no, not Hinge, actually Bumble. But Hinge is on my mind, Bumble and Tinder and whatever. And there was one dude and he was just like, "You know when the lockdown loads are like kind of chilling out and you're allowed to have people at your place and everything." He was like, "Okay, cool. I'm just having a little barbecue around mine. You know, you should come over." And I was like, "Yeah, cool. As long as it's like 1.5 meters distance, you're not having this many people and no one's got viral symptoms, I'll like totally be there."

Joanna Fleming:
Classic doctor.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Oh my God, so hilarious. But then when I arrived, I was like, okay, there's a bunch of guys and they all looked like really good mates. And then there was a bunch of girls who looked like they just don't know each other. And I was just like, "So who do you know here?" And every girl was just like, "Oh, I just know this guy." And I was just like, "This is like the most obvious thing ever." So, this guy basically had invited all these girls from dating apps to his place.

Joanna Fleming:
No.

Hannah Furst:
No.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Legitimately, this is the hilarious thing.

Hannah Furst:
Wait. Were all his friends singles? So he was like doing this weird meet and greet with all these Bumble girls and all his single friends.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
I swear like all these girls were for him.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God. Oh my God.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
It was so funny.

Joanna Fleming:
Who does that?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
I don't know who does, like someone with like serious testosterone levels. But for me it was a proper laugh because like all the girls basically just stuck to one side the room. We just had the time of our life because we were like, "Oh my God."

Joanna Fleming:
I would have turned around straightaway and been like, "This isn't for me."

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
I know.

Joanna Fleming:
Hannah, would you have stayed?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, probably. If all the girls were really fun and they were a few cute guys to flirt with, I would have stayed for sure.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, fair.

Hannah Furst:
You're asking me now, I haven't had sex in like who, God knows how long. So I probably would have definitely stayed.

Joanna Fleming:
You stayed for the food, Dr. Lucinda?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
I stayed for a bit, like less than the two hour recommended time, obviously because of transmission of COVID whatever within a certain period. But I met some awesome girls there and so literally we just chilled so hard and just like had such a good time. And it was really funny because all the girls were like, "One point five meters, one point five meters." We were all really, really sensible. Whereas the guys were like trying to sit next to us and I was like "Mate, you need to like step aside."

Joanna Fleming:
Get out of my personal space.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Literally, so funny. But afterwards I said to him, "Look mate, this is not for me. But if you ever have like any other parties or dues, just let me know because like your taste in girls is amazing and I've met some really good mates through you." So it was just so much, honestly it was the funniest thing I've ever been a part of.

Joanna Fleming:
There's a silver lining from a really what would have been, messed up story is that you made some girlfriends. Who doesn't love that?

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Totally. Love them as well. They're so stunning.

Joanna Fleming:
That's definitely put me off ever wanting to do dating apps, to be honest. I'm not going to lie that story's quite off putting.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Yeah. But the thing is, is like you can sniff it out and then if it feels like a creepy crowd, obviously like you run, you just go as fast as you can. But like everyone seemed pretty chill and it's kind of just like the little gathering thing and the girls are like super sensible. The guys were looking really confused in the corner of the room, thinking why are all the girls like just speaking to each other and not us. But, it was definitely an experience and yeah, I had a great time, met some good girls, so it was good.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Well being new to Sydney, it was a great opportunity to meet friends.

Hannah Furst:
Australian men are really welcoming you to our country. So that's good to see.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, thank you so much for joining us today. We will chat to you very soon, I'm sure.

Dr Lucinda Raudaschl:
Sounds great. Thanks for having me on guys. It's been a pleasure. Happy you learned about poo today. Favorite topic.

Joanna Fleming:
So Hannah, you did something to your hair before we went into lockdown and I'm very interested to hear about this because you sent me a photo and I was like, "Whoa."

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, totally.

Joanna Fleming:
So tell us.

Hannah Furst:
Ever since we did that episode with Natalie Anne, I have been desperate to get a keratin treatment and so we started stocking a brand called Goldwell and Goldwell do a keratin treatment called Kerasilk. And they hooked me up with Conrad Hair, which is a hair salon in Armadale in Melbourne and I got a keratin treatment. So, I wanted to tell you guys what happened [crosstalk 00:17:21]...

Joanna Fleming:
Before you get into it, can you tell us what is a keratin treatment for?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. Okay. So we all know about the chemical straightening that I used to get done.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
The reason I got that done though was because I'd get to a really humid destination and I felt I can't do this. So I'd get the chemical treatment and a chemical treatment actually breaks the bonds in your hair. So it restructures the hair so that it becomes dead straight and as part of that process, you obviously can cause quite a bit of damage to the hair and mine eventually did fall out. So I wouldn't, look if you're going to do that, make sure that you go to a reputable hairdresser.

Joanna Fleming:
But also you've got to grow out chemical straightening don't you?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. Yes. It's permanent. If it falls out, there's less of an issue. But so basically what a keratin treatment does is it kind of infuses, I don't know if that's the right word, but it kind of infuses the hair with keratin and keratin is a naturally occurring protein in hair, skin and nails. And so what that does is that smooths and softens the hair rather than actually breaking the bonds down. It actually kind of injects the hair with keratin, which is the stuff that makes hair healthy. But do you know what? Who gives a shit how it works? Like we just really care what the result is. Honestly, does anyone care how [inaudible 00:18:43] works? No. They just want to know it works.

Joanna Fleming:
Wait, so how long does it last?

Hannah Furst:
So it does wash out and it lasts for about, between three to five months.

Joanna Fleming:
That's pretty good.

Hannah Furst:
But what I'll say is, it doesn't make your hair straight. What it does is makes your hair more manageable. It makes it smoother. It reduces the amount of frizz and it also means that your hairstyle lasts a lot longer. So I straighten my hair now and it doesn't then buff up the next morning, which it does usually. So subscribe to our YouTube channel and there will shortly be a YouTube video where you'll actually see it happen at the salon. But the process takes between two, I would say up to five hours, depending on how long and thick your hair is. If you have like really long, really thick hair, you could probably expect to be there for four to five hours. I was there for, I think between three and four hours, but I had a haircut too.

Hannah Furst:
So you get there, they wash your hair, they blow dry it. Then they get the keratin treatment and they soak every strand in the keratin. They then blow dry it and then this is the bit that's a bit weird or I found a bit weird. So then they get a little section by section. You can imagine how many sections my hair would have. And they go over each section, that's been blow dried with keratin, the hair's coated in keratin treatment. And then they go over seven times with the straightener, like seven passes.

Joanna Fleming:
And then do they wash it again after?

Hannah Furst:
They leave it in and then they wash it out and then I had it cut and then they blow dry it. And it was so smooth, but like your hair technically every time you go to the hairdresser, your hair should be smooth because they're blow drying it.

Hannah Furst:
So what I then did was I wait five days and then you wash your hair and then you'll see like the actual result. And so I let my hair dry naturally and what we'll do is on stories when this episode comes out on the Monday, I'll show you a before and after. It was quite dramatic, wasn't it, Jo?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
What I feel like I am is like I'm a bit of a beauty guinea pig. So, I like to try these things out so I can then tell people on this podcast or on YouTube or whatever. Like I can actually give you some, I mean I work in beauty, so I love doing different treatments, any facial treatment or any hair treatment. I mean, if I lived in Thailand, I probably wouldn't bother. I'd probably just let my hair run wild.

Joanna Fleming:
There's something I see on descriptions of products and stuff is that things are keratin safe or suitable for keratin treated hair. There's like specific products you have to use when you've had a keratin treatment isn't there?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So they recommend, and I am using it because I think if you're kind of investing in the treatment, you want it to last as long as possible. So, I am using the Goldwell Kerasilk Control. So they've got a shampoo and conditioner. So I'm using both of those at the moment. I find the products because they're enriched with keratin, they'll help to maintain the results of salon keratin treatments. But I also have been using the intensive smoothing mask, which is the same, the Kerasilk Control Intensive Smoothing Mask and that has color protection as well. I just love a hair mask, like my hair's so dry.

Joanna Fleming:
And what ingredients can't you use in it? Is it sulfates you can't use?

Hannah Furst:
Sulfates. Can't use sulfates.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, so any shampoo or anything with SLS in it you can't use? I mean, you could, but it would make it not last as long?

Hannah Furst:
I think it like washes it out. I'm pretty sure like that's like the big, no no.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. So another thing that I really wanted to talk about was color. So how the keratin treatment will affect your color. So as we know, I went blonde about 18 months ago and I've been on this f'd up journey trying to get my natural hair color back. I've used some box dyes once again, trying it for YouTube because my hair had gone orange and then I'd used a box dye. And so what box dyes do, if you're mixing two colors together, it's got like a peroxide in it to lift the color. What that's done is it's lifted like my natural color. So now, I've got like really dark roots because what the keratin treatment does is it strips the color from your hair.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
So, she said to me, she's like, "Look, it's probably going to strip out this color," because I'd used like a semi-permanent box dye. So she had actually recommended, which was so good, the team at Conrad was so amazing. Like she really went through like the whole color thing with me. She's like, "Stop dyeing your hair and just get like one of those, like either a tint or something that's like one of those conditioning treatments."

Joanna Fleming:
Like a toner?

Hannah Furst:
Well, so I've used two products and I feel that it's actually really improved the color. Did you see the before photo of like how it completely stripped my hair, all the color?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
And it was looking quite orange. So I'm using the Evo Fabuloso Cool Brown Color Boosting conditioner.

Joanna Fleming:
That's like a toning conditioner.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. But then also another one is the Redken to take out the red tones, is the Redken [crosstalk 00:23:50]...

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, the Brownlights.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, so I've tried both of those. So what I'm going to do from here on out is only use, I'm not dying my hair again. That's it, I'm done.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. That Brownlights shampoo and conditioner is great for brunettes who get that brassiness through their hair.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So now I'm just literally going to let the color grow out. So I'll be using that Evo Cool Brown toning conditioner to sort of like a bit of a fresh color. But yeah, I'm just going to have to wait until it grows out. So that was also a good tip that I picked up. You would preferably get the keratin treatment, wait two weeks and then get your hair colored.

Joanna Fleming:
Right. Okay. So you still can go and get it professionally colored?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. Yeah. You can get it cut. You got to wait two weeks to get it colored.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. Can you still use those products, the shampoo and conditioner, if you haven't had the keratin treatment? Is that like any help? It smooths it out or?

Hannah Furst:
Totally. I was using those before I got the treatment.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Did you see how smooth my hair is looking at the moment? It's like much more, like as in the frizz was...

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
It really does help, but obviously you're not going to get the same results as you would from a salon treatment. So like, it just depends I guess if you do have like a little bit of frizz but you don't want to get a keratin treatment, I would definitely recommend the Goldwell Kerasilk shampoo conditioner, but the mask is probably my favorite. I think the mask is my fave.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. I've learnt a lot from this little discussion, to be honest. I didn't know anything about keratin.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So, look, it's hard to actually describe it. So it'll be on YouTube. It'll be on our story.

Joanna Fleming:
You won't be able to miss it.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, you won't miss it. It'll be everywhere, honestly, everywhere when this episode comes out. But I have to say a big thank you to the team at Conrad Hair. They actually had a really, do you know what it was like? It was like going on a holiday to the hairdresser's [crosstalk 00:00:25:39]...

Joanna Fleming:
That's nice.

Hannah Furst:
... because we can't do anything.

Joanna Fleming:
That's how sad things have gotten.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I know. It just really felt like a bit of a holiday and it felt like everyone, I mean, obviously I wouldn't do it now because we're in stage four. But if you're in other parts of Australia, you can obviously go and get yourself a keratin treatment.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Enjoy everyone.

Joanna Fleming:
My product today is a little unexpected because I haven't really been wearing that much makeup to be honest. But I have worn a little bit of makeup recently because I find, I know this sounds really superficial, but honestly doing my hair and makeup on the weekends really puts me in a better mood when I've got nothing else to do with my time and I'm literally just sitting at home. It does make me feel better. So I have been using, and I've had this eye shadow palette in my drawer for ages, have never really used it. I experimented with the orange that was in it a while ago, but I wanted to do a brown winged liner. And so I got out this Designer Brands palette, it's called the Eye See You Mineral Eye shadow palette in Fired Up. And it's $12.99, which is a bloody bargain. But what I do with that is that there's a really nice deep brown, like a chocolatey-brown shade in there.

Joanna Fleming:
I spray the liner brush from the Designer Brands brush set, which I'm obsessed with, which I always talk about. I think that's been one of my products I didn't know I need it before. But I used the liner brush out of that wet and then I dip it into that eye shadow. And then I use that to create a brown wing because I don't actually have a brown liner in my collection of things, which is surprising, but I don't have one. So, that's how I've been doing my little brown cat eye wing and I'm loving it. It lasts all day, really long-wearing and it looks really nice, in my humble opinion. No one can see it, but I think it looks pretty good, so.

Hannah Furst:
What about that mustard color?

Joanna Fleming:
I actually really like that. It's actually really cool.

Hannah Furst:
No, it looks like a really nice palette and I like the chocolatey color looks really nice.

Joanna Fleming:
And it's got like a burgundy color in it as well. And I've got on today, on my eyes, you know how you said earlier that I looked nice in our Zoom call?

Hannah Furst:
You do. Yes, you do.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm wearing the glitter in the middle there. We're obviously both looking at a photo of it. It's like a champagne-y, almost orangy champagne-y glitter. And I have that as my wing today, which I also think looks pretty good if I don't say so myself.

Hannah Furst:
Very nice. It does. She put some effort in today, for once.

Joanna Fleming:
I did. Yeah. For once, I'm not wearing my dressing gown and have my hair in a bun. So yeah, that's my product I didn't know I needed. Hannah, over to you.

Hannah Furst:
I had a product that was non beauty-related. Do you mind if I talk about that first really quickly?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, you can do two. We're in lockdown, do whatever you want.

Hannah Furst:
All right. So, look, if anyone's gained weight over [inaudible 00:28:22]. I feel you, I've gained eight kilos and all of my... First, all my jeans stopped fitting me, fine. Not wearing jeans at the moment. Then all of my Lululemon pants stopped, were giving me like a red band around... You know when they like dig in?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
And they're just way too tight and I was like, "I'm sick of this." And then we went into lockdown again and I'm not exercising as much and I'm not eating as well. And I was like, "I need to find some pants that make me feel comfortable." And I feel I can walk in them and I can work in them and I can sleep in them and I just never have to take them off. So I bought these Lululemon, they're the Wunder Under pants. And I swear, they're like maternity pants.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
They've got this band around your stomach that like is so, it's really comfortable.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, that sounds comfy.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God, Jo. They are so and so like, even if you kind of like gain a little bit of weight or whatever... Like they're just so comfy.

Joanna Fleming:
Can I give a budget option for anyone?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah because these are like $120. I'm such a bougie bitch when it comes to my workout gear.

Joanna Fleming:
I'll be the budget bitch here.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
So I'm currently wearing right now the Cotton On Body, I think they're called the Soft, like Soft Touch or Soft Feel [crosstalk 00:29:38] ...

Hannah Furst:
I have those too.

Joanna Fleming:
... tracksuit pants or they might also be pajamas, I'm not really sure. Oh my God. They're the best. They are the best. I've got the gray and I've got the black and they're so soft.

Hannah Furst:
I did just buy a whole heap of Cotton On Body stuff. I got these [crosstalk 00:29:52]...

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, same.

Hannah Furst:
Have you seen the rib flare pants?

Joanna Fleming:
No, I haven't.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, they're like flared track-y pants and then I got the matching t-shirt. I'll have to send you a pic when I try them on. Do we need to say that we don't have any sponsors for this show?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, just in case anyone was wondering, we literally talk about whatever we want to talk about. So including Chemists Warehouse and other retails.

Hannah Furst:
Priceline, Aldi, we don't care. We make up the rules. We do work for Adore Beauty. So we obviously talk a lot about Adore Beauty, but no one sponsors the show. Like this is just genuine, just in case...

Joanna Fleming:
That's voluntary not because they don't want to.

Hannah Furst:
All right, so onto my product I didn't know I needed. So KORA Organics Noni Glo Skin Food. This is a supplement and as you know, I have been having acai bowls every morning. I bought a very expensive blender at the start of lockdown.

Joanna Fleming:
At least you've gotten good use out of it.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God, I've gotten such good use out of it. What I do, I add like a scoop of protein powder. But then I also add in a scoop of this Noni Glow Skin Food with prebiotics. So what is in it? So it's got Noni, which is like the KORA Organics...

Joanna Fleming:
Their hero extract?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. It does also have acai, which is just a bit of an added, I already add like frozen acai berries, but this is just a bit of an added. It's a super food. It's delicious. It's got blueberry, which is rich in fiber and vitamin A and C. It's got Matcha green tea and obviously prebiotics, which is really good for a healthy gut.

Joanna Fleming:
Does it have a taste? Because I haven't used this one yet.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. It's kind of got that berry kind of flavor. It's completely nice. It doesn't taste like those greeny, you know the green-like spirulina ones?

Joanna Fleming:
I just don't like supplements that taste like dirt and grass. That's pretty much my only.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, no and I find when I mix these in with a smoothie or like a acai bowl, I can't taste it.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, exactly. That's why I mix my Beauty Chef stuff with orange juice because it just, like it's berry-flavored anyway, but...

Hannah Furst:
Yeah and I think for me, it's... I haven't been eating very well. So I've been trying to add this to my healthy breakfast to give me like a bit of a boost in the morning. So yeah, that's mine.

Joanna Fleming:
Cool. Great. All right. See you next week.

Hannah Furst:
Bye. Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Fleming:
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