Episode 23: Why Am I Always Bloated?

We're back for another episode of Beauty IQ Uncensored, brought to you by Adore Beauty. 

What’s on this episode? We’re glad you asked...

Bloating:

Nutritionist and founder of The Smoothie Bombs, Cinzia Cozzolino (@nutritiondarling) joins us to talk about bloating, what causes it, how to reduce it and what to do if you've got an event coming up (in Hannah's case, her sister's wedding!)

You can find Cinzia on Instagram here.

Dermaplaning:

Jo shares her experience with dermaplaning; who the treatment is for, what it does and if she'd ever have it done again. Have you tried dermplaning and love it?

Jo had her treatment at @meskinandbody. You can watch the video below:

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Credits: 

Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst 

Guest: Cinzia Cozzolino


Nutritionist, Cinzia Cozzolino discusses bloating and what foods are making us feel bloated. Plus Jo shares her experience with dermaplaning

Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 23 Transcript - 'Why Am I Always Bloated?'

 

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ the podcast.

Joanna Flemming:
I'm your host Joanna Fleming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your cohost Hannah Furst.

Joanna Flemming:
Hannah is just finishing off her toasted sandwich. Welcome to the episode.

Hannah Furst:
I am. I had a really bad ... Can we start recording at nine in the morning?

Joanna Flemming:
Well, nine is a pretty normal time for people to start work.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. I know but keep going.

Joanna Flemming:
I know you struggle to get up in the morning, but 9:00 AM is the start of work time.

Joanna Flemming:
On today's episode we are talking to a nutritionist about bloating and we're also talking about dermaplaning and of course our products we didn't know we needed.

Joanna Flemming:
All right, so for today's cringey convo, we thought we would discuss a topic that most of us would have experienced at some point in our lives.

Hannah Furst:
I'm experiencing it right now.

Joanna Flemming:
Are you?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Bloating.

Hannah Furst:
Well my tummy's also making sounds so apologies if that comes up on the recording.

Joanna Flemming:
Perhaps our next guest Cinzia can help us with that topic a little bit. You are a nutritionist and founder of this Smoothie Bombs.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
That's right. That's me.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay, so bloating to start with. Why does this happen? What is it? Can you explain a little bit more about bloating?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Absolutely. Now there are a couple of reasons why this can happen, but generally speaking, what goes on is that it's got to do with the gut. Got to do with digestion. Often we don't realize that our digestion isn't doing the job it should do and certain foods will create ... What basically what goes on is like they're not getting digested, so they sit there, they ferment, they become gaseous and then they bloat. Like take up that space that should be kind of passing things through.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And it could be a number of reasons, but often the main reason is food intolerances. That's of the main ones.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. Right.

Hannah Furst:
I swear I must have a food intolerance.

Joanna Flemming:
I think I must have several.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
But sometimes it can be, look, a lot of us have and we don't realize it because there's so little that we don't realize, and then over time it does do it. Like a real telltale sign is how, I mean, natural [medicine 00:02:13] nutritionists always talk about poop. Like poop is really important to us.

Hannah Furst:
We love talking about poop.

Joanna Flemming:
We love poop.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And that gives you a really good idea of how good your digestion is. And what it looks like when it comes out. I'm sorry about that if anyone's eating at the moment.

Hannah Furst:
Don't be sorry.

Joanna Flemming:
Please don't.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
They know what they're in for if they're listening to this podcast. Yeah and it is certain foods like particularly things like fiber can do it. Things like gluten as we all know. Gluten people always say once they've eaten bread, they feel bloated. A lot of people are slightly insensitive to gluten.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
But then there are people that have got real ... What I'm saying with the bloating thing, it's a wide scale, but often most of us are in that kind of, that part where we're probably eating a little bit too much of some foods and they're not getting digested properly. And so therefore they sit there and then they create this gas and then we feel bloated.

Hannah Furst:
What is the difference then? Does gas always come with bloating?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
It is connected to it unless, but no, if you're looking at something like menstrual bloating, that's nothing to do with that.

Joanna Flemming:
I was going to say, because if I'm getting my period, I look about six months pregnant. I get so bloated.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
That's a completely different thing. It's a different pathway. Basically that's coming from hormones.

Joanna Flemming:
Interesting. Okay.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
That's like a drop in progesterone. That sort of, what that does is it starts to like, your cells start to retain water and it's almost like your body's going, "Okay, I'm going to kind of get all nice and cozy." And it holds that stuff in. And as soon as your period comes out, then it goes back.

Joanna Flemming:
Right. Yeah. It's so interesting.

Hannah Furst:
With bloating, does this ever happen to you when you're in a meeting and you're really bloated and your stomach starts making sounds?

Joanna Flemming:
No, that's just me when I'm hungry.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
That's when you're hungry.

Hannah Furst:
No. I think that's like being feeling a bit gassy, but you can't let it out.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh no. I don't really get that at work.

Hannah Furst:
You don't get that in a meeting and your stomach starts rumbling?

Joanna Flemming:
No.

Hannah Furst:
You're like, "Oh my god."

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Probably your nerves. You know a lot of your nervous system is in your stomach, so if you're about to make like an important speech to someone or have a discussion that you feel really emotional about, that will create some stomach movement, like that sort of feeling, you get it when you're in love. The butterfly kind of thing. That's all about, a lot of our nerves are in the stomach. It's quite an amazing, it's our second brain, really.

Joanna Flemming:
Is that why we get nervous diarrhea when we're ...

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yes. Yes.

Joanna Flemming:
I say we, but I mean me.

Hannah Furst:
Me too. I get that too.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah I think a lot of people do.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
[crosstalk 00:04:40] it's really good. Some of the foods that are really top culprits to this are like I said, things like gluten, wheat, cruciferous vegetables.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God, yes. Oh my gosh.

Joanna Flemming:
What's that?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
That's like cauliflower, broccoli, the Brussels sprouts.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, yes.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my god, so my family all went [inaudible 00:05:01] and we were all eating a lot of broccoli.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Me, my sister, and my mom were eating a lot of broccoli and cauliflower and no one could be in the same room as us. We were like the gassiest, but also like intense stabbing pains in the stomach. It was like our body trying to get used to cruciferous vegetables.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yes. Well, they've got a tendency to ferment.

Hannah Furst:
Right. That's so interesting.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
If your stomach is, and often I can say that 99% of people have got issues with their digestion. They just don't know it because of the way we've eaten. The Western diet can [crosstalk 00:05:34].

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Because of that it does cause it. A way to fix it up, which I think is a simple solution is to have lemon water 20 minutes before you eat. Like it's a simple way to fix it.

Hannah Furst:
What does that do?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
What that will do is that it gets the enzymes that break down the food activated. It kind of gives it a bit of like, it gets those juices, the good ones that break down, and then so the food breaks down better. And now the big tip is chewing your food. I mean hello? I know what I'm like.

Hannah Furst:
I [crosstalk 00:06:07].

Joanna Flemming:
People don't chew properly.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
No one chews properly. You have to chew, you have to eat mindfully.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Much slower. Eat with your mind, chew your food because that's going to help your digestion.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Joanna, you're probably, you're such like a little bird eater.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
You're probably all right.

Joanna Flemming:
I'm a snacker. I eat quite small portions but I'll snack the whole day.

Hannah Furst:
Whereas I eat a big meal and then I wolf it down.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Me too. I'm like you.

Joanna Flemming:
What's better for you? Is there a-

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Definitely eating slower.

Hannah Furst:
Like you. You're doing it right.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh really. But eating regularly?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Eating regularly is good. It depends on your ... Some people have got a really fast metabolism, so they have to eat regularly. If you eat a little bit slower-

Joanna Flemming:
I think that might be me.

Hannah Furst:
I think that might be you. Also the nervous diarrhea is a-

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Actually looking at your physique, you're definitely someone that has a very fast metabolism and you probably need to eat ... I would imagine you're the sort of person that if you're not eating regularly you start to kind of really drop.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh I will pass out. I get faint, I have to eat-

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yeah. And you feel, and you get grumpy. Do you get grumpy?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. I get really hangry.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Because you've got that physique and that sort of fast metabolism.

Hannah Furst:
That explains a lot doesn't it?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
What physique do I have? I'm the same as you.

Joanna Flemming:
Hannah, don't make our guest uncomfortable.

Hannah Furst:
Sorry. I have a tendency to do this.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Totally fine. Well your metabolism is probably more normal.

Hannah Furst:
Slow. It gets slow.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
You know where you sort of ... You eat and you have to kind of-

Hannah Furst:
It's not slow.

Joanna Flemming:
Really? Look at you. You're not overweight.

Hannah Furst:
No, no. I'm not overweight, but my weight goes up and down depending on how many ... If I overeat, which I tend to do, I love foods. I'm not careful, but I can't just eat whatever I want like you.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. Except I eat small. Like I eat whatever I want, but I don't eat a lot of it.

Hannah Furst:
That's true. We went out for fried rice the other day, She had like three mouthfuls and I polished the whole plate off.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
My daughter and I are the same. We go out a lot to eat and she orders big, eats a little bit, and then I end up eating her plate.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
I just took the rest home for dinner.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
She's like, "Is that all you're going to eat the dinner?" I was like, "Yeah. Is that okay?"

Hannah Furst:
I was like completely shocked.

Joanna Flemming:
Now apart from people that have intolerances, is there anyone that's more susceptible to bloating than others apart from that group of people?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
I think, well, there are people that have got serious diseases, things like Crohn's. Then they've definitely got to look at certain foods. There are a range of hereditary kind of things that may happen to you that sort of meat means you can't touch something. Generally it is predominantly ... Oh and another big food group is people that are on FODMAPs. They're big about not having foods that have got that cruciferous vegetable thing going on or you know, like onion and garlic, because all those things do create, they ferment. Their fear is, is food fermenting because of their digestion's not working correctly. When you've got those sort of foods sitting in there, they can cause really bad pain and all that discomfort.

Joanna Flemming:
That's fructose intolerant, people that can't have like garlic and onion and obviously fruits.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yes. And also lactose intolerant people have got to watch it as well.

Joanna Flemming:
Right. It's interesting.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
It's got to do with the way your stomach is digesting food and how it's moving through. For example, if you are a meat eater and you've got those issues, you're going to have a lot of problems in terms of how things pass through and how long they sit there and how they purpose ... A way that a naturopath or a nutritionist can help fix that is to get people to do a food diary.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And this is if they're not, haven't got the serious stuff. If they just, you know, the average me and you, you do a food diary, you have a look at how when those things are triggering and then you can have a look and go, "Okay. Every time she felt bloated she was eating one of these food groups. Okay, we're going to remove that for awhile." In many ways, you can try and repair that area. You can do some changes if it's only slight. It basically means pulling it out, not eating it for a while and then slowly introducing it again.

Joanna Flemming:
See I tried to do a food diary when I was having a lot of digestive issues and I couldn't pin anything down and then I started taking the Beauty Chef Glow and I was like, "Oh my god. I'm fixed." I was convinced that I just needed prebiotics and probiotics in my diet.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Totally. We all need those.

Joanna Flemming:
Why do those have such an impact on your gut?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
They won't work though if you are eating all those things. Like people can be wasting their money on those things. If you're not doing the work on your gut and you're just taking those things, they're not going to be doing the diet.

Joanna Flemming:
Because I still kept my diet quite, it was very much the same and then I just introduced that and I was like, "Oh, I feel so much better."

Cinzia Cozzolino:
But was your diet, you're relatively a good eater?

Joanna Flemming:
Kind of.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And you're having little foods, so probably not having a lot of it storing inside and [crosstalk 00:10:59] through it. And I don't want to get personal, but also your toilet habits are part of it as well.

Hannah Furst:
You can ask her about a toilet habits. Go for it. Semi-regular?

Joanna Flemming:
I'd say very.

Hannah Furst:
She can't drink coffee.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, can't have coffee.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
It goes straight out?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
[crosstalk 00:11:13].

Hannah Furst:
I'm like the opposite to you.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Really, you should be going at least once a day to do number two.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
You can say poo.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
To poo. I've met, guys in particular, who are heavy meat eaters that can maybe go once every two or three days, which to me is horrifying.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Because that stuff isn't moving through and it's just sitting there and they're not eating many vegetables and all that stuff. There's that extreme. But when you are eating small, slow and you've got all those things, there might be something that's come ... Like for example, if you've had a lot of antibiotics when you were younger that could have caused an imbalance in your gut flora that you don't know about because you just got through and it's just been slightly there the whole time. And then you get to an age that you start going, "Hey this is becoming really uncomfortable." And that's when you would go have a look at it, and the probiotics will do a lot of help there because you would get that all sorted out. And that's how a naturopath would really treat you. They would go back and pull it all out, fix it up, and then reinoculate, bring all the good bacteria back in.

Hannah Furst:
Actually, because I think, maybe why I'm feeling like bloated and gassy today, I have baked beans for dinner last night.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Well that has a lot to do ... Beans are a big one.

Hannah Furst:
Because I'm vegetarian, it's good for you.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Totally good.

Hannah Furst:
Okay.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Well I'm plant based. I'm completely plant based.

Hannah Furst:
That is what I want to ask you about. I am like, want to be plant based so bad, but cheese is the love of my life.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Hey, I get it. I get it.

Hannah Furst:
I'm trying. I've been trying for years now. I've been vegetarian for almost 20 years, so the vegetarian thing is fine. The cheese thing, I just want to be plant based. What are your views on a plant based diet?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
I love it. I live it. I'm very healthy on it. I am very conscious of eating a lot of variety. That's something that's important when you're doing a plant based diet. You can't be a picky eater. You cannot be just having macaroni and fake cheese.

Hannah Furst:
No, no.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
I think that's what Hannah would probably have.

Hannah Furst:
No I do not. I don't love the fake cheese.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
I mean I watch a lot of the ... I'm on a lot of vegan groups on Facebook and I watch some of the foods that they eat and I just go, "Where are they getting all this?" Not protein. Protein is not an issue. Protein comes from everything. That's been bombarded to us. We have to watch that. But really it's more about getting those leafy green vegetables, those variety of vegetables, the nuts, the seeds, the legumes, really important. The grains, there's so much misinformation about, don't eat carbs, don't eat ... But depending on what process you're going on, you have to eat those things. Variety. Bring in as much as you can. And I think the vegan diet or the plant based diet is totally fine. You just got to be smart about the way you do it.

Joanna Flemming:
Do you recommend that to everybody? Do you, are you hoping that at some point everybody will be off meat or at least reducing their consumption of meat?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
You know, it's a tough one. It's a tough one because I think that many of us can do it. I think some people's digestion and the way they work, it's going to be a little bit harder. But I definitely think that people should be increasing their fruit and vegetables. Mainly meat eaters who, some of those guys that are on the, kind of working out each day, and they're like next door to you guys here that are out working, they eat three meat meals a day. And they eat very little vegetables. That is a big problem in terms of health.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
I was looking at a statistic only yesterday that still like something like 90% of Australians are not eating enough fruit and vegetables.

Joanna Flemming:
Really?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Like how is that possible? But when you go out-

Hannah Furst:
It's the busy lifestyle, I think-

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And it's the super foods.

Hannah Furst:
If I had all the time in the world, I'd be having three healthy meals a day.

Joanna Flemming:
But it's so much easier to go out and get a processed meal.

Hannah Furst:
Exactly. Yeah.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yeah. And so that's, I think ideally what I would love to see is people increasing their fruit and veggies. Yes, if they could remove the meat from their life would be amazing. And I think we're getting, I think we're going to get more and more to that point.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I agree.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
People are waking up.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep. I think a lot of people are starting to reduce, might not be removing, but certainly reducing their meat intake and replacing it with something else.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And that's what I encourage when I speak to a lot of my customers because I've got a very big community in my Facebook group, which is the Smoothie Bombs, people who drink smoothies, and lots of them are there. And I know that probably 90% of them are still meat eaters and they're regular. And all I try to say to them is like, "I'm not trying to create big change." But even like that Meat Free Mondays, just start and bring in those vegetables. It's really important.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And on the cheese factor, because I'm Italian and I love my Parmesan. I loved all my cheeses-

Hannah Furst:
Pizza.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
... And that was a hard one to give up for me as well.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I bet it was.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Because like you, I was vegetarian for 20, 25 years. I had two children while I was a vegetarian. All my levels were great. My iron levels were great. People were saying, "How are you doing it?" Back then vegetarian was like the vegan now. People were like, "How can you be vegetarian?"

Hannah Furst:
Now it's the same. Now it's normal.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Now vegetarians can get away with anything is fine.

Hannah Furst:
Vegetarian's almost not good enough. "You're a vegetarian and you're not vegan?" It's become a thing now. You're like, "Why?"

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yeah. Like we've kind of accepted them. That's fine.

Hannah Furst:
They have accepted us.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
But there's amazing cheeses out there now. There's amazing cheeses. I can tell you that ... They haven't quite mastered the Parmesan, I've got to say, and that's been one of my favorites, but I know they're getting there.

Hannah Furst:
I had a really bad vegan pizza the other night. It scarred me.

Joanna Flemming:
And that put you right off?

Hannah Furst:
I was like, "I love pizza."

Cinzia Cozzolino:
There's some good, there are some good places that you can get vegan pizzas, I've got to say. And yeah, there's some amazing Feta cheeses and Halloumi cheeses out there that ... I reckon just hang in there and just keep trying them. I think you'll be surprised how good they're getting.

Hannah Furst:
I have a quick, back to the bloating. Now I have an event on Saturday and I'm wearing a, it's my sister's wedding, I have a very, very tight dress. And I was wearing, I tried it on the other day and my sister was like, "What are you going to eat?" Because my stomach was bloated like I could see it, but I've got this little potbelly from bloating. What's the best thing that I could do in the lead up to an event?

Joanna Flemming:
That's a great question actually.

Hannah Furst:
Well because I'm worried. Because I'm so bloated and gassy today. I feel like because I ate-

Joanna Flemming:
Chill on the beans. Also, we're in an enclosed room. Can you not?

Hannah Furst:
I'll go out and fart in the other room.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Definitely don't have the cruciferous vegetables or the beans.

Hannah Furst:
Okay.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
You know, leading up, make sure you have some, drink water and move-

Hannah Furst:
I was going to drink smoothies and juices.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
Sorry. Smoothies, juices, and soup.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yep. Yep.

Hannah Furst:
I feel like an [crosstalk 00:18:07].

Cinzia Cozzolino:
But what are you putting in your soup? Make sure the soups are, you know, the vegetables that you're putting in there aren't part of the cruciferous vegetables. Like onion-

Hannah Furst:
Right. Like pumpkin?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Pumpkin's fine.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. Yep.

Joanna Flemming:
Pumpkin soup for the next week.

Hannah Furst:
Anything else? Any other tips?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
You know, I just think ... See the other aspect of all of that as well is lifestyle and stress.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Again, what I'm talking about in terms of the, your stomach has all your nervous system in there, that can be stopping your stuff working.

Joanna Flemming:
Your lack of sleep might be affecting you as well.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Lack of sleep is a big one.

Joanna Flemming:
She's struggling to sleep at the moment.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Big one.

Hannah Furst:
Let's turn this into a therapy session. We usually do. Before we get there.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
If you're going to look at it holistically, yes, there's the food that's really important and if you've got those issues there. But there's also, of course the stress factor, the sleeping factor. There's lots of things that come in.

Hannah Furst:
Well, it's five days away.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
It's five days away.

Hannah Furst:
I think I'm just going to look bloated. It's okay.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
You can try. I mean, there's intermittent fasting that's pretty good.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I do a bit of that. Actually I can go back to that for this week.

Joanna Flemming:
For five days? Is that going to be impactful?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Just do it, so you're eating within a timeframe.

Hannah Furst:
[crosstalk 00:19:25] I usually do one until 8:00 PM.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yeah. Do that. I think that will really help you.

Joanna Flemming:
I would be deceased if I didn't eat until 1 PM.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Really?

Joanna Flemming:
I would, I have to eat as soon as I get up.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
That's what I mean. That's a different, like my daughter's the same. If she doesn't eat continuously she'd be on the floor. Her brain doesn't work. She's grumpy.

Hannah Furst:
I couldn't deal. What'd you have this morning?

Joanna Flemming:
A crumpet. [crosstalk 00:19:50].

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And high carbs. She's high carbs as well.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. I love my carbs.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
You need that sort of that sugar break down because you're using that as energy.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
But I think, when I look at her, my daughter as well, I just go, how do I get more of those kind of complex carbs because you're going to be caught in this little trap which is maybe that [inaudible 00:20:11].

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I am caught in a trap.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And that's got to be changing.

Hannah Furst:
Should she be eating more brown rice, whole grains.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Yeah, and because, do it in small bits but definitely bring in more foods that are going to be a little bit slower at releasing that energy.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. What would be some examples?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Smoothies are brilliant. I mean, sorry I know I'm pushing it, but they are really great to do that.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. Maybe I'll try a smoothie in the morning.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
And make sure they've got like some nuts and seeds in them. A few kind of like not just fruit and and milk.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Put some stuff in there. Get your super foods in there. Put your chia seeds in there. Get those things because they will basically do a lot of work and without it being needing a lot to break down.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. I'm going to try and action that.

Hannah Furst:
I'm not going to eat any broccoli, cauliflower, or beans for the next five days.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Or onions.

Hannah Furst:
I did not know about onions.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, she has a lot of onion because she eats Asian food for lunch and that has a lot of onion and garlic as well.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Just for the week.

Hannah Furst:
Okay.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Don't go too far with that one.

Hannah Furst:
I love onion and garlic.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
I know. I'm hearing you.

Joanna Flemming:
Everyone does.

Joanna Flemming:
Well thank you so much for joining us Cinzia. That was a great conversation. I've learned a lot. I'm changing my diet everybody.

Hannah Furst:
Smoothies.

Joanna Flemming:
Plant based, smoothies.

Joanna Flemming:
That was great. You are a nutritionist. If anyone wants to come and see you, do you still practice?

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Not so much because I am working pretty full on in my business, but you know what?

Joanna Flemming:
But they can buy Smoothie Bombs.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
They can buy Smoothie Bombs and in my, we have a group called the Smoothie Bomb Squad.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
I'm very active in there. I give lots of advice. I put lots of posts up so you can find out a lot about-

Joanna Flemming:
If anyone has any questions jump in there.

Cinzia Cozzolino:
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Joanna Flemming:
Thanks. Bye.

Hannah Furst:
We're just onto our next topic, which is dermaplaning, and I was so impressed. We put up an Instagram [inaudible 00:22:00] last night, which if you want to go back and look at it, it's called dermaplaning 101. Joanna showed her facial hair in all it's up close glory. It was amazing.

Joanna Flemming:
I think it takes in another level of confidence to have your face shaved on Instagram.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my god. I wouldn't even shave my own face for Instagram.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
And I've talked about it on this podcast. I'm so impressed with you.

Joanna Flemming:
I mean you just do it with like a men's razor.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I do.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Can you actually explain what it is and why we do it?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. I had never really considered having it done. I've got like some serious sideburns. I hadn't really considered shaving my face before, but this is actually meant to be for exfoliating and removing the vellus hair, which is like the peach fuzz and it's also great for aiding and the penetration of your products as well. Obviously as an exfoliating treatment, your products that you apply afterwards will penetrate the skin a little bit better.

Hannah Furst:
In comparison to other exfoliation treatments, how effective is it?

Joanna Flemming:
I'd say it's quite effective. You're not going to get the hair removal component with other exfoliating treatments like a chemical pill. I definitely would recommend it for those people that notice a lot of like fine blonde hair on their face or they find like their makeup gets caught in it. But basically they use like a sterile blade and they use it on an angle and they basically glide it across the skin and that removes all the dead skin-

Hannah Furst:
In a really satisfying way.

Joanna Flemming:
In a really satisfying way. When you see it close up, you can see all the little bits of skin and hair coming off.

Hannah Furst:
Yum.

Joanna Flemming:
For me, someone who likes those kind of videos, I was like frothing when I watched, this for the first time, even though it was my own face. But a lot of people asked if the hair grows back the thicker, and it doesn't. Because it's the-

Hannah Furst:
Oka. Why is that?

Joanna Flemming:
... Because vellus hair, so it's not like hormonal hair. It's just really fine. It basically grows back the same thickness.

Hannah Furst:
Rewind. What the hell is vellus?

Joanna Flemming:
It's the peach fuzz.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. That just means peach fuzz.

Joanna Flemming:
It's the really fine hairs that are all over your face.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. It's all over your body isn't it?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. Yeah. It's everywhere.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
You don't need to remove it. It's not like a necessary thing to do.

Hannah Furst:
I don't.

Joanna Flemming:
But I have seen people that have a lot of vellus hair on their face and their makeup does get caught in it.

Hannah Furst:
Okay.

Joanna Flemming:
If you're that kind of person, you would love this treatment. But I did have it done. I didn't mind it. I don't know if I'd have it again.

Hannah Furst:
How come?

Hannah Furst:
I feel like you of all people don't need hectic ... I love that word hectic. I'm now going to use it for now.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Love it. No, I feel like your face is very exfoliated.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. Yes.

Hannah Furst:
Like I don't know that you need additional exfoliation.

Joanna Flemming:
I really don't.

Hannah Furst:
Like the other day we took a photo and I like zoomed right into my face and I was like, "Look how I need to get a chemical peel." And I'm like, "Look at your skin and look at my skin." And Joanna literally said, "Hannah, don't compare your skin to my skin." Do you remember you said that?

Joanna Flemming:
No.

Hannah Furst:
I was like oh, because I zoomed right into my face and it looked really textured.

Joanna Flemming:
But you really can't compare.

Hannah Furst:
And then I zoomed into your face and I said, "See?"

Joanna Flemming:
We've got totally different skin types.

Hannah Furst:
No, no, no. And you literally were like, "Yeah, don't even. Don't even compare." I was like, "Oh. Okay."

Joanna Flemming:
You're taking that the wrong way.

Hannah Furst:
No, I took it as in like my skin's like, don't. Don't even compare. It's like, "Oh, you're so thin and I'm not." You'd be like, "Don't compare yourself to me."

Hannah Furst:
Sometimes I get like a rogue hair even in like the middle of my chest.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. We definitely need to have you hormonally tested.

Hannah Furst:
Just one. There was just one like here, like just on my chest. Where all the ... Anyway, and my boyfriend at the time, we were walking back from lunch. We worked in similar spots and we're in the sunlight. He was like, "You've got a hair on your chest."

Joanna Flemming:
Oh my god.

Hannah Furst:
It was like a dark one. One rogue dark one.

Joanna Flemming:
What like a curly like pubic type hair?

Hannah Furst:
No like a like a chin hair, but a bit longer.

Joanna Flemming:
Wow.

Hannah Furst:
Dark black one and it's like off-

Joanna Flemming:
Does Linda get this to?

Hannah Furst:
I don't know if she gets it. I'm sure other people get it. Can you please DMS us if you get this too. Should we do a vote so I don't feel ... I do feel really alone in this. I'm like saying it out loud now.

Joanna Flemming:
How often does it come back?

Hannah Furst:
Oh no. I'll get one like every now and then.

Joanna Flemming:
Wow.

Hannah Furst:
Like once every month or two months.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh! Okay, that's quite frequent.

Hannah Furst:
That is not-

Joanna Flemming:
And you just pluck it out?

Hannah Furst:
Just pluck it out.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Usually I'll see it-

Joanna Flemming:
The same spot?

Hannah Furst:
No different spots. Okay. Just one.

Joanna Flemming:
Anyway, back to dermaplaning. People were also asking how often you should have it done. And most dermal clinicians will recommend like every four to six weeks, but you can-

Hannah Furst:
Is it expensive?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, it's pretty expensive. But you probably want-

Hannah Furst:
Give me a ballpark.

Joanna Flemming:
Like $150.

Hannah Furst:
But is it like you wouldn't get a chemical peel in place or something?

Joanna Flemming:
You could.

Hannah Furst:
Oh okay.

Joanna Flemming:
But a chemical peel isn't going to remove your hair.

Hannah Furst:
But isn't this about exfoliation?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, so it exfoliates, but it also removes the hair. So you literally have the smoothest skin you've ever had in your life.

Hannah Furst:
That sounds good.

Joanna Flemming:
I recommend it for pre-event because it makes your makeup go on so smoothly.

Hannah Furst:
My sister should get this.

Joanna Flemming:
I put my makeup on, it was like flawless.

Hannah Furst:
Wow.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, it does really glide on. I do recommend it pre-event. I don't think it's something people need to have all the time, unless you're really bothered by the peach fuzz. But you could also have things like microdermabrasion and chemical peels if exfoliation is your concern.

Hannah Furst:
I heard you can do this at home. I actually saw a device on your desk the other day.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes, you can. I had my treatment at Me Skin and Body, but you can do it at home. There's this product called Dermaflash. We will be kind of [ranging 00:27:41] it soon I think. But it was on my desk because I was trying it. That has disposable blades and it's kind of made so that you can't cut yourself. It's kind of foolproof. Like you still could fuck it up if you did it wrong, but it does, so that it's as sterile as possible as a home device could be.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
But nothing that you do at home, as we've discussed before, is going to be the same as an in clinic experience.

Hannah Furst:
Results.

Joanna Flemming:
That's my advice. If it's something that you want to do at home, go for it. There's a product for it. I probably wouldn't be buying little razors off eBay, but that's just me.

Hannah Furst:
I probably would be.

Joanna Flemming:
You would bake. Absolutely.

Hannah Furst:
Absolutely.

Joanna Flemming:
There is a product called Dermaflash and that's got the separate little razors that you can attach to the device.

Hannah Furst:
And then do you buy new razors just like you would do-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, so it comes with, I think, four.

Hannah Furst:
Okay.

Joanna Flemming:
And then you can replace the razors. Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Just like you'd shave your legs.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. It's a couple hundred bucks, but if you're going to pay 150 bucks per session-

Hannah Furst:
Okay. And you're doing it regularly.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. And you're doing it every four weeks.

Hannah Furst:
I'm assuming that you'd become quite a pro at it after awhile.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. I think it's about how you, because you've got to hold the skin taut. And I think that's the thing that people need to be careful of if they're doing it at home. And people commented on that video like, "Oh, it's just like shaving your face with a normal razor." It's not.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, that's a really good question. That's a question I have. What's the difference between shaming your face with a razor?

Joanna Flemming:
Well, you're having it done with a scalpel basically, so it's a very close shave and you're not leaving like the edges of the hair.

Hannah Furst:
That's like when men go to get like a proper shave, like a barber.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
It's like an experience that they go and do and then it gets it really, really fine.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, okay.

Joanna Flemming:
And then you know that you're doing it on the right angle, and then it's going to grow back fairly soft. Yeah, that's kind of the main difference.

Hannah Furst:
The other thing with doing this at home, I'm assuming, is that, we've spoken about it before, how men age at a better rate on the bottom half of their face.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
Because they're literally exfoliating their face if they shave every day. The at home would be if you were doing that, like I don't know how often you would do that.

Joanna Flemming:
Well it's the same as if we were using a chemical exfoliant regularly.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Like if you're using really good skincare you're going to age better anyway because you're exfoliating the skin. You're turning over the cells and yeah. It's a similar concept.

Hannah Furst:
I like shaving the bottom half of my face.

Joanna Flemming:
Good for you.

Hannah Furst:
It always feels really smooth.

Joanna Flemming:
You know what? You can have that dermaplaning device.

Hannah Furst:
Can I?

Joanna Flemming:
The people that caught have dermaplaning or that it's not recommended for are people with active acne or really textured skin and people with hormonal imbalances. It is best to go to a clinic, see if it's suitable for you. I went to Me Skin and Body in South Yarra. Yeah, I think it's just all about having that skin consultation and seeing what treatment's right for you and whether or not you can do it.

Hannah Furst:
Now onto the product I love.

Hannah Furst:
Can I just quickly tell you something?

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
We have podcast notes and Joanna has this thing where she says P-W-D-K-W-N.

Joanna Flemming:
Well I can't be fucking typing the whole thing out.

Hannah Furst:
And I literally look at it. and I'm like, is this a thing we've come up with? Like P-W-D_K-W-N.

Joanna Flemming:
Hashtag.

Hannah Furst:
It's like a hashtag product we didn't know we needed.

Joanna Flemming:
Now for the P-W-D-K-W-N.

Hannah Furst:
We needed to [inaudible 00:30:59]. What's your products that you didn't know you needed?

Joanna Flemming:
Mine is a sunscreen. I have been trying out these new mesoestetic sunscreens. There's three of them. There's one that's a mat, one's an anti-aging fluid, and one's an oil. And I quite like a facial oil now. I mix the anti-aging fluid with the nourishing anti-aging oil, and honestly I'm loving it.

Hannah Furst:
Nice.

Joanna Flemming:
It's SPF 50 but it just makes your skin looks so nice when you have sunscreen on. Like, I would happily just put that on and I look [crosstalk 00:31:34] and fresh.

Hannah Furst:
I don't think I've ever heard of an SPF oil.

Joanna Flemming:
Neither have I. Not that's SPF 50.

Hannah Furst:
That's not, because you have SPF six oils for your body.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
But not like an anti-aging facial oil.

Joanna Flemming:
This is completely safe to use on your face and mix the fluid-

Hannah Furst:
How much do you need to use?

Joanna Flemming:
Well, to cover your face, you're using like a teaspoon.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
That's why I mixed the fluid and the oil because I don't want to put a teaspoon of oil on my face and I bring that down my neck as well and kind of to the top of my chest. Yeah, I really love that oil. It's so random because I've never come across a face oil SPF 50.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
I think as a dry skin, [crosstalk 00:32:10]-

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, as we've spoken about on previous episodes, sunscreens are coming a long way. Aren't they?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes, they really are. When I tried these I was like these are fucking awesome.

Hannah Furst:
Can I tell you one of my favorite things about all the reviews that we get on Apple?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
Is the amount of people that are like, "Oh my God, I now wear SPF every day."

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
It's so awesome.

Joanna Flemming:
I know. It's probably the best thing about these podcasts is that people are now wearing SPF.

Hannah Furst:
SPF every day.

Joanna Flemming:
Because they didn't know. They didn't know it was a thing that you have to wear it everyday.

Hannah Furst:
I know. Well, I didn't know it was a thing either.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. It's a real movement.

Hannah Furst:
It is total movement.

Joanna Flemming:
What's your product, Hannah?

Hannah Furst:
I have another travel story from the same trip.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, here we go.

Hannah Furst:
Biology had sent me their big [QK 00:32:53] Radiance Duo. They had sent this to me a while ago saying, "Would you be willing to like drop all your skincare-"

Joanna Flemming:
This is after our interview with [crosstalk 00:33:00] from Biology?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. "Would you be willing to drop all your skincare and try this?" And I was like, send it. I'll see." Anyway, I got a follow up email like, "How are you going?" And I was like, "Look, can I be totally honest with you? I'm finding it really hard to drop all my skincare." Because I'm using so many different products and trying so many different products just so that I can talk about it on these podcasts that I really was finding it hard.

Hannah Furst:
But anyway, I was going away and I take a really small backpack with me, so I didn't have much room and I only had 15 kilos and I took quite a lot of clothes. I ended up taking some skincare, but I ended up dropping most of it. And I literally used this Duo because what's so good about Biology is that you actually don't need anything else. You don't even need a moisturizer, you just need an SPF. There's a morning serum and a night serum. It's basically tells it everything. It does everything that you could want a serum to do.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, well I was using it as my vitamin C. The morning one.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, so these actually, what was different about this time was that I actually wasn't using anything else.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, see, I couldn't not take like a hole bag of skincare.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Which is so good if you're traveling. You've just got two, they're tiny. They're plastic, so they're light. Totally, totally perfect-

Joanna Flemming:
They are very travel friendly.

Hannah Furst:
... If you travel a lot.

Joanna Flemming:
Especially for backpackers like you.

Hannah Furst:
But not even backpackers. I was actually thinking for people that have to travel for work a lot.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, yeah.

Hannah Furst:
All you do is you just chuck in these two little serums. You don't need moisturizer, you don't need anything else. You just need these two little serums.

Joanna Flemming:
It's actually a good-

Hannah Furst:
And they're light. I highly recommend it if you're a regular-

Joanna Flemming:
I couldn't drop all my other skincare.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, but if you literally, like I remember I worked with a woman who had to travel three days a week for work. Can you imagine trying to pack your skincare for that every week? This is-

Joanna Flemming:
See my concern when I go on a trip is I'm going to have a skin emergency. I'm going to be like, "Oh, why didn't I bring that product that I know fixes?"

Hannah Furst:
My skin usually, if I stop my skincare, kind of starts looking a bit dull and lifeless. But what happened, maybe like a week or 10 days into my trip and I walked over to this other beach where there was a dance party going on the beach. I'm having like flashbacks. And this guy I like walked over to this group that I kind of knew and this hot guy was like, "Did you just had a massage? You are glowing."

Joanna Flemming:
Oh shit. What a testimonial!

Hannah Furst:
I'm not going to tell you what happened after that.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay, we can make our own assumptions.

Hannah Furst:
Nothing happened that night.

Joanna Flemming:
The next night.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, maybe the next night. But I want to actually just point out was that a pickup line or do you think my skin was actually glowing?

Joanna Flemming:
I'd go with the glowing.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Take what you can get.

Hannah Furst:
I think I'm going to go with that. Take what you can get. He said it more than once though. But it's weird for a guy to say you're glowing because that's like not ... I have had out on a date, a guy said to me, "You look really shiny."

Joanna Flemming:
He was trying to get it right but he just missed the mark. He said shiny.

Hannah Furst:
This guy said glowing.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. He missed the mark on the shiny comment.

Hannah Furst:
If you're a guy listening to this, maybe it's the best pickup line ever. But for girls out there, I'm saying like the Biology one, I wasn't sacrificing the glow by just dropping down to one product.

Hannah Furst:
Let's wrap it up. But I think you've got an update for us?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. I do have an update on my [BO 00:36:18]. Remember a few episodes ago I said I was going to try apple cider vinegar under my arms?

Hannah Furst:
Yes.

Joanna Flemming:
I've been doing that at night since then, and I also switched to clinical protection during the day. And I'm like a new woman.

Hannah Furst:
Amazing.

Joanna Flemming:
I really think the apple cider vinegar is helping.

Hannah Furst:
Are you going to try and drop the, are you going to try and swap back to natural at some point?

Joanna Flemming:
At some point, yeah. I'm loving the no BO.

Hannah Furst:
Actually, I feel do you, do we need to do some sort of like-

Joanna Flemming:
Challenge?

Hannah Furst:
... Challenge. Like how long can we go without using, because I use clinical protection and I feel that I want to swap to natural.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, but I only just started and now I'm like this is great.

Hannah Furst:
Maybe I need-

Joanna Flemming:
I don't wear deodorant at night. I just put the apple cider vinegar on and then I put my deodorant on in the morning, so I'm having a break from it at night.

Hannah Furst:
You don't shower in the morning?

Joanna Flemming:
No I do.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, okay.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, but I have the apple cider vinegar on.

Hannah Furst:
You feel that that's helping.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Why don't you just try doing apple cider vinegar for one day and see what happens?

Joanna Flemming:
During the day?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Because it's not a deodorant.

Hannah Furst:
Well, just you and me at our desks. I won't tell anyone.

Joanna Flemming:
They'll smell us.

Hannah Furst:
I'll tell everyone on the podcast, but that's all.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay, so we'll just wear apple cider vinegar during the day.

Hannah Furst:
Well I don't know I'm quite there yet, but I think you should do it.

Joanna Flemming:
But it's not for deodorizing. It's to exfoliate and get rid of the bacteria.

Hannah Furst:
Oh it's to exfoliate.

Joanna Flemming:
It's to kill the bacteria and to stop it forming.

Hannah Furst:
Do you just do a spot like a-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I just put it on a cotton pad.

Hannah Furst:
A cotton pad? Oh, okay.

Joanna Flemming:
And then swipe it under my arms.

Hannah Furst:
I just have been shaving and there's no hair there.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I don't shave my underarms anymore. Occasionally I get a rogue. Have I got any today?

Hannah Furst:
No. None.

Joanna Flemming:
No. I did shave them the other day because I found a few and I was like, whoa. They grow, and they grow long.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah and they're in areas I can't see them, and then I look down and I'm like, "Whoa, that's a long one."

Hannah Furst:
Okay, well I think let's revisit a deodorant challenge. I'd like-

Joanna Flemming:
Yes. Let's do that.

Hannah Furst:
I'd like-

Joanna Flemming:
I do want to switch back to [crosstalk 00:38:11].

Hannah Furst:
Same. Like if you can, why not?

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
Because I feel that you become addicted to clinical protection.

Joanna Flemming:
I certainly am.

Hannah Furst:
It is an addiction.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay, so within the next month, let's do a challenge.

Hannah Furst:
Let's do it.

Hannah Furst:
Okay, well that wraps us up for another episode.

Joanna Flemming:
See you next week.

Hannah Furst:
See you next week.

Hannah Furst:
Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Flemming:
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