Episode 15: Does The Big O Make You Glow?

This episode contains adult content of a sexual nature, including a discussion with sexologist about sex and self pleasure. To skip this discussion, please fast forward to around the 20 minute mark. Beauty IQ Uncensored is brought to you by Adore Beauty

What’s on this episode? We’re glad you asked...

Does The Big O Make You Glow:

Adore Beauty has just launched a sex category, so we're joined by sexologist Chantelle Otten to discuss how orgasms affect your your sleep, stress levels and, of course, your skin.

Read Kate's letter here

Learn more about Chantelle here

Blackheads:

Alrighty... Now for a change of pace. What are blackheads and how the hell do we treat them? You'll just have to listen to find out. 

Joanna's top three products for blackheads

  1. The Ordinary Salicylic Acid 2% Mask

  2. Medik8 Blemish Control Pads

  3. asap radiance serum

The Products We Didn’t Know We Needed: 

Joanna’s product: Designer Brands Melodrama 10-piece Brush Set

Hannah’s product: Cinema Secrets Brush Cleaner

Credits: 

Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst 

Guest: Chantelle Otten

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Does The Big O Make You Glow? - Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 15 Transcript

 

This episode contains adult content of a sexual nature including a discussion with a sexologist about sex and self-pleasure. To skip this discussion, please fast forward to around the 20 minute mark.


Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ, the podcast.


I'm your host Joanna Fleming.


And I am your cohost Hannah Furst.


So, Hannah, we've got a very special announcement for our listeners today because we've launched a brand new category at Adore Beauty.


We have. It is our sex category.


And this has been in the works for a very long time since-


It has.


I reckon started, you've been pushing for this category.


I know. There's been a few of us that have been really excited about the launch of this category. I think it fits so perfectly in our Adore You range.


Yep.


Adore You-


The whole self-care, self love vibe-


Sleep. All that sort of things.


So, what are we stocking in our sex category?


Our sex category, there's things like vibrators, condoms, a really great female led condom brand called Johnny.


Yep.


Feminine hygiene wash. You know how much I love my feminine hygiene.


She loves her feminine hygiene.


And how long have I been asking for booty feminine hygiene wash?


Yeah.


Kate has written a little bit of a letter about why we decided to launch the sex category. We will be linking that in our Instagram stories this week, so you can all have a read of that. What she actually says here is, "The experience of shopping for any sex-related product tends not to be very empowering or women friendly. It's always been a bit tacky and secretive or degrading."


Can I just say, I so agree with this because buying condoms at the supermarket and having to hide them underneath like...


With your pantyliners?


I know. So, your pantyliners and the condoms have to go under all the fruit and veg, or if you've ever been to a sex shop, had to walk into a sex shop to buy a vibrator. It's not the most empowering experience because you can't actually take the time to read. If I stood in a sex shop for an hour reading the back of every box of a vibrator... That's why I think shopping online for vibrators is game changing because you can spend your time researching and educating yourself.


Well, it's like how you would buy a moisturizer.


Exactly. It's actually the same concept as going into a department store to buy skin care-


We want you to be able to buy everything that you want in the one place.


Yes. So, if you are curious about our sex category, keep listening.


So we have Chantelle Otten who is a sexologist joining us. So, she's going to actually explain what a sexologist is and what they do. And then we're talking all things black heads and how to treat them, how to get rid of them, and of course our products we didn't know we needed.


So I'd like to welcome our guest for today. Chantelle is a sexologist and what else are you Chantelle because I was very overwhelmed by all your qualifications at just 28 years young? So tell us.


Well, first of all thanks for having me. It's really exciting to be here. So I'm a psycho-sexologist. I work with the biggest sexual organ, which is the brain. I'm also a certified sexologist. So, it's not a regulated profession in Australia, and I did my qualifications in Amsterdam. So I'm a psychologist, I'm also the director of the Australian Institute of Sexology and Sexual Medicine where there's a lot of sexologists who work with me. I'm a scientist and at the moment I'm writing a book as well. So, hopefully an author by next year.


Who are you?


I know. And you were just... Before we started recording, you were telling us some of the things that you do I guess outside of...


Social media.


Social media.


Yeah.


Can you talk us through a few of those things?


Yeah. So if we kind of break it down, so I see patients, I see about 16, 17 hours worth of patients a week. I then run my clinic as well. I then travel rurally, and around Australia, and then internationally to teach medical professionals and people in the healthcare industry about sexuality and how to talk about it with their patients. So I was saying yesterday I was in [Shepherdin 00:04:00] and I drove back from Shepherdin this morning because I was seeing oncology professionals, so cancer, and talking about cancer and sexuality and how that impacts the in-patients in the ward.


Yeah, because chemotherapy from having cancer does affect sexual organs as well, doesn't it?


So, it's actually not the cancer itself that causes any difficulty with sexuality. It's always the treatment.


The drugs. Yeah.


Yeah, so I would say, there are a lot of statistics about how much or how many people are affected by sexuality when they have a cancer. And I would just say it's 100%. They'll all have challenges because any type of treatment is going to be really disturbing, not only from a psychological point of view and your role change, and being vulnerable and in pain and also fatigued, et cetera. But the treatment is really intensive. And so, the problem is that medical professionals don't know how to bring it up with their patients, and the patients don't know how to bring it up with their professionals. So that's my job to go, "You know what? It's okay. You have permission to do that."


Yeah. That's so interesting. What kind of things do you see patients for?


Yeah, so I see individuals and couples and it's really for any questions to do with sexuality. And I can name a few, like for females we might have sexual pain, which is a really big one. Vaginismus is a condition that a lot of women have and don't really recognize. It's where the pelvic floor is so tight that it's hard to fit maybe a finger or a tampon or a penis or a vibrator inside the vagina and we just need to retrain it. It's actually something that's quite very easy to fix. It just needs the right diagnosis. This also can be pain around the vulva, which is the skin between your legs. Everyone thinks the vagina is that kind of block in between your legs, but the vagina's just the hole where the tampon goes or the penis goes. So I give a lot of sex education to people.


I you surprised by how little people know?


Yeah, I feel like they need to send you into schools.


Yeah.


I'm doing a sex ed course, which will be available on my website and on my Instagram soon.


Okay, because I feel like that's something that I didn't get enough of in school.


I agree.


Me neither, don't worry.


I went to a Catholic school and I feel like we learned absolutely nothing.


It just wasn't, it was like an afterthought.


Yeah.


I remember sex education at school was like once a fortnight, you might have like 30 minutes where you talk about uncomfortably.


Not even at my school.


Me too.


It wasn't like, "Let's talk..." It wasn't just open and let's really talk about it.


Yeah.


No we did not. I definitely did not have that. We were really strict Catholic school, so I don't know. And then I see... so there's pain, there's desire, there's sexual self-esteem, there's confidence. There is challenges with hormones and cycles and just any kind of question around sexuality. And then for men, there's erectile dysfunction, there's premature ejaculation, there's performance anxiety, there's just dating in general and people getting burnt out from dating apps and all that kind of stuff.


Here, here.


Couples work.


Have relationships work.


I hate the dating apps. I think it's ruined dating.


You know, I'm sending one of my patients back to speed dating.


What?


Really.


Do I need to go back to... do I need to... I've never been speed dating.


I just think like for the ones that... So I have a few people that have really never dated before and some of them I've been so proud, especially if they have like other... if they've got mental health conditions that might make them really anxious or OCD or something. Throwing yourself in the deep end and going out there and being vulnerable is a really tough thing. And I'm so proud of them. I say, "Why don't we give it a go?"


Does speed dating still exist? [crosstalk 00:07:41]. I thought I was a bit of an older demographic. But is there people my age, our age doing that?


I was talking to... So Dylan and I have a friend called Isaac and he runs a bar called Two Wrongs, which is on [crosstalk 00:07:57].


I know, that's near where I live.


Yeah. And they do speed dating once in a while. And I was saying to him the other day, "You really need to do speed dating again," because I've got so many friends that [crosstalk 00:08:05]. I'm going to send this to you when you need to get your [crosstalk 00:08:13], because people want to come. But I really want to, I don't know, maybe I'll hold a speed dating event.


You should.


I think this is like... Can you partner with Adore Beauty?


Yes, let's do it. [crosstalk 00:08:27]-


People are absolutely... Everyone I know that's on the dating apps are... it's like it's ruined dating. I know that sounds quite intense, but it hasn't made dating better.


Yeah, I think you'd be right in saying that.


So should we kick off our first question about masturbation?


Yeah.


So the question is what are the benefits? But really I actually had my own personal question, which was like how often should you do it? How important is it?


As in masturbation or sex?


Masturbation, or both.


Both.


I mean, there's no number. It's all about the quality. I think that's the most important thing. I really think that masturbation is important. I think for females, we really need to know how to find pleasure because none of us are educated on the clitoris and the clitoris is a really important area. There's 8,000 nerve endings in the clitoris that are designed purely for pleasure. And really I think a lot of women actually just don't know how to touch themselves and I don't know how we can expect our sexual partners to know how to touch us either if we don't know how to find our own pleasure. I think it's important to still self-stimulate while you are in a sexual interaction with someone else so that you can bring yourself to climax if you want to.


And I think especially it is something that will bring a lot of health benefits. I mean it's stress relief, it's really good for your skin, it's good for energy, it's good for sleep. And masturbation's great [crosstalk 00:10:07].


What can we expect from our skin as a beauty podcast-


This is what she wants to know.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the oxygen that comes to your skin through masturbation because masturbation brings blood up to your peripheries, so your face and your hands and your kind of genital areas as well. And oxygen is very good for collagen and promotion, so you'll get a lot more elasticity in the skin and basically it'll give you that healthy glow from all the endorphins.


I was going to say that Sex in the City episode where Samantha masturbates for two hours-


Oh, yes. I remember that too.


"You look glowy." And she's like, "I just masturbated for two hours." So is that where that comes from?


Yeah. Yeah. No, the afterglow is a thing because there's really amazing endorphins that come out through masturbation.


Are there any female orgasm facts that most people or many or some people don't know?


I think there's heaps. [crosstalk 00:10:58]. I think it just depends on the person really.


What are your top three that you would experience in clinic when you're seeing patients or people are like what?


Yeah, I would say that a lot of people don't realize that the clitoris, A, if you don't know where the clitoris is, you need to look on [Layby 00:11:13], a library, which is a website or on OMGES and really get to know your vulva area because so many women don't know what a normal vulva is. And that's because we see a lot of male appendages in [needier 00:11:28] and we never get to see a vulva because it's considered hardcore pornography if we have a [labier 00:11:34] out in media. So we just don't see it. And people think that they're abnormal. We don't have pubic hair or we do have pubic hair and people just don't know what is right and essentially sexuality is individualized. There is no normal when it comes to sexuality or the way that you want to, I guess express yourself in that area.


The clitoris is something that every woman should know and every man should know if they are getting with women essentially because it is where you get your orgasms from. It's where you get your pleasure from. And I think that a lot of people expect to have an orgasm through penetration, whereas 70% of women cannot have an orgasm through penetration. The way, if you are having a penetrative orgasm, is that the penis or the vibrator is rubbing against the clitoral nerves that are on the inside of the vagina. So the clitoris is a wishbone shape and then it goes about seven centimeters into the vagina on each side of the vaginal walls. And then the stimulation from the rubbing and the thrusting will end up [crosstalk 00:12:43]-


But only 30% of women can do that.


Can do that. Yeah, it's a very small percentage.


That's a good fact.


Yeah.


Yeah, so really focus on the clitoris. 12% of women can't have an orgasm at all-


Wow.


And that's okay as well because I mean, sex isn't about penetration and orgasm. It is about pleasure, it's about satisfaction. It's about having a really great time with each other. And there are a lot of people with different abilities out there as well. And I think you can have sex in any way that you want to have sex. That's the main thing. Orgasm facts, I mean orgasm's so good for stress and for sleep. So if you're struggling with your sleep, whip out a vibrator and play around with your clitoris and have a good time-


I know a friend that does that. Sorry, just to give you context. We were saying, when this category launches, how are we going to talk about ourselves like in the first person, because obviously our male bosses listen to this, so I was going to be like, "Yeah, I know a friend who does that." That's so good.


I have friends that also do like pre-bating, which is when you masturbate before you go to a date or like a big event. You know you can get a bit anxious-


Yes, totally.


Or maybe also like you're single and you're a be thirsty. I don't know. [crosstalk 00:14:02]. And when you go out and you're like, "I just need to get laid," and da-da-da. And you start thinking and you start getting attracted to people that you wouldn't normally be attracted to because you just haven't got laid for awhile.


Totally. Totally. I know a friend who's done that also.


So pre-bating is a thing-


Pre-bating, it's just so interesting, before a date. I would never think of that.


Then you can just like really focus on who you're with and if you actually like them and what you're doing and yeah.


So orgasms produce like stress.


Yeah. [crosstalk 00:14:34]-


And they're a natural analgesic. So if you have a headache-


Oh my God, I do get migraines.


You do. [crosstalk 00:14:42].


And that's one of my scientific studies that I won an award for.


Wow.


Wow.


And it was talking about the benefits of sexuality on headaches and migraines. And I don't know if yours are hormonal or if yours are, whatever they are, stress-related, but-


Usually stress-related.


Yeah, definitely then have an orgasm and also take a bit of a break, have some rest. But it helps period pain, it works really well for that as well. And if you're just grumpy in general, I would definitely recommend it.


Are there some women that are able to orgasm on their own with a toy but then aren't able to with a partner?


Yeah, yeah, absolutely.


Is that quite common?


It is common and I think that's also because a lot of people just don't feel that comfortable maybe with a partner at the time or they believe that they have to behave in a certain way or maybe they are waiting for their partner to bring them pleasure. I'm a really big believer in demanding pleasure for yourself and knowing how to bring that on and bringing a vibrator into the bedroom with you and playing with it, seeing it as an extension of your sexual self. And encouraging your partner, too, as well. I think that there is just this old like really shocking myth around vibrators or pleasuring yourself as making your usually male partner feel inadequate.


Yeah, I was going to say that's like a-


I mean, I think that everyone should just have pleasure at any time and the reality is that these are toys that are meant to be fun for the two of you and them to extend yourself. And I think using toys on your male partner and them using it on you if you are heterosexual is a really good idea and just switching it up.


So if someone was looking at our sex category now and was thinking of purchasing a toy, how would someone decide what to buy for themselves if they've never purchased a toy before?


I would definitely recommend, if we're talking about females and they like their clitoral area, there is some really good suction.


Oh my God, I know. A friend told me.


They're my favorite to be honest.


They're ridiculous. [crosstalk 00:16:58]. We have one as well. I'd never heard of such a thing and I'd read the reviews and I was like, "This sounds ridiculous." Like-


Oh, it's heaven. I've got one in my bag downstairs.


Carry it around in your handbag. I love that. [crosstalk 00:17:12].


I brought it out at the hospital yesterday and I was like, Oh here I'll show you this.


So is that what you recommend for women purchasing just for themselves?


Yeah, you can use it with a partner too. You can use it when you're in doggy style or lying on your side or maybe you can show each other how you masturbate, et cetera. Or if your partner is going down on you, you can use it at the same time. There are also really great internal ones. You can get one that's like a rabbit shape as well, which will stimulate the clitoris and be inside and kind of edge up into the pelvic floor region where you have a lot of nerve endings inside where we say it's like the G spot. And scientifically the G spot doesn't exist. But I think it's just where there are a cluster of nerve endings on the inside and upwards towards the belly button in the vagina.


So I would recommend buying two to be honest, one for your clitoral area and one internally and seeing which one you like. Get a good silicon one, they're the best. Don't go for a cheap vibrator because there can be some really nasty chemicals and just like what you two talk about in terms of products for your face, you've got to remember that your genital region is also very sensitive and very important and we don't want to change the pH of your vagina because you're going to end up with thrush and with UTIs. Getting a really good lubricant is also something that I recommend. So water-based lubricant if you're using a toy or condoms, silicon lubricant when you're just using an appendage or your fingers for example.


So do you recommend using lubricant when you are using a toy?


Yeah, I recommend using lubricant with everything.


Okay.


It's just like moisturizer for your skin, but for your vagina.


That's a very good analogy.


Yeah, that's a really good analogy. [crosstalk 00:18:56] the skin care analogies.


Yeah. This has been very eyeopening.


Yeah.


I've learned a lot.


Me too.


I love this.


I'm really excited for speed dating. So I'm holding you to that. Can you seriously do that? [crosstalk 00:19:10]. I would really love for us to get back to a point where it's like real life again.


Yeah.


Like for me, just the chemistry is in real life and that's how you kind of feel it.


Yeah, absolutely. I think that we need to learn the art of conversation again.


Totally.


And I have a lot of friends that are becoming single now and it's really cool because they're kind of looking to me, they're doing my sexual self-esteem course, which is online. And then they're coming back and going, "All right, well, I'm feeling good in this area, how do I get into the dating area now?" And they're just taking it easy and navigating it a little bit more. But I think we need to get back to the out of conversation and making moves and being straightforward enough to say, "Hey, I'm at a time where I really want to learn and experience and I want to do it with you. I want to go on a date with you or have a free dinner." I don't know.


Well, thank you so much for joining us Chantelle. I've really loved this interview.


Thank you.


We've learnt a lot. You're very accomplished.


Thank you.


I feel like we're inadequate.


I know.


No, don't say that.


Alrighty, now onto blackheads after that conversation.


Change of pace.


Yes. So what are blackheads and how the hell do we treat them?


What are blackheads?


That's a good question.


Because I've suffered from... Me and my sister, her is a lot worse than mine, but we've both-


Maybe you're Alice.


Ruby. We both get... But she started using the stuff that we're going to talk about. So hers have improved a lot. But we've both suffered from blackheads for our whole lives. Is that because we produce more oil?


It could be. So blackheads essentially are when oil or dead skin cells and things get stuck inside the pore. And that black part that you see on the outer part of the blackhead is when that oil oxidizes. So it's when the oil is mixed with oxygen and then it turns black and that's what causes the blackhead. So it is pretty gross, but they're kind of-


Normal.


I mean everybody gets them. I get blackheads too.


I feel like we should stop saying gross and ewe, because it's not gross and ewe-


It's just normal.


It's normal.


It's stuff we don't like, but regardless.


To be honest, I don't think you have any blackheads.


I do. I've got one on the-


Just one? I've got-


No, I've got maybe four.


I think I have a million. My whole nose is covered in them. I don't even think I could count them.


The best ingredient you can use, which we've discussed before on the podcast, is salicylic acid. So that is a BHA, which is an oil soluble ingredient. So things that you can find that in are the ASAP Radiance Serum, the ordinary salicylic mask and the medicate blemish control pads. So all of these products are very different. ASAP Radiance Serum, the ordinary mask, the medicate little pads that you can use. So all of those are designed to treat blackheads or congestion under the skin. So yeah, they're relatively easy to treat if you can get on top of them. But it's just more like when you're squeezing them out, it's just going to feel like [crosstalk 00:22:20]-


Yeah, can I... Can you, you know those little devices that you got when you were young from the supermarket or something, those little metal [crosstalk 00:00:22:26]-


Yeah.


And you used to push it on the blackhead and all the puss would come out.


Yes. So I don't recommend doing that yourself at home just because you can cause damage to the skin from doing that excessively. But if you go and have a facial and you have extractions, they will do blackhead extractions and do it properly to make sure not damaging the skin.


How do they do a blackhead extraction?


Well, they actually use a very similar tool to that.


Right.


But sometimes they may need to break the skin [crosstalk 00:22:52]-


I think I've done that before and it was really painful.


Really painful.


Like they will-


I had it done with my peel the other day. It was so painful.


Yeah, they we're like going to town on your face.


Yeah.


Yeah.


But it does get them out pretty effectively. So the way salicylic acid works is that it can exfoliate the inner wall of the pore.


How does it do that?


I don't know. It's amazing, but it's really effective for treating excess oil production and blackheads as well. So highly recommend those top three that I've named.


Why do you recommend salicylic acid, not a glycolic acid?


So a glycolic is a water-based acid and that probably provides a bit more hydration and resurfaces skin a bit more, whereas a salicylic acid is probably a bit more hardcore than a glycollic.


I feel really bad because I recommended to Ruby to use the... because she was like, "I really want to treat my blackheads." And I was like, "Oh, you should get a glycolic acid."


Glycolic will still do something.


But I probably-


It will still keep the skin clean.


But she actually swapped her radiants. I didn't realize that it had to be salicylic and I know that that contains salicylic. So hers, she did say she noticed an improvement since using radiants.


Well, the radiants is AHA and BHA. So it's got both.


Which is why I like it.


Yeah.


Because it's a bit of everything and it's also-


And I use the radiants and I don't have congestion concerns, but I still see really nice brightening results from it.


So what I did want to ask the ordinary salicylic mask, for my skin, I don't think it would be appropriate to put that all over my face.


No, definitely not. I would use-


So would you recommend just putting that on?


Yeah. So I'd use a multi-masking technique there where you would mask using the salicylic mask on your nose and for your T-zone, where you get oilier and where you experience blackheads.


Really?


And then in the other areas I would do the probiotic mask.


Okay guys, this is a game changer for me. I've never done that. I've never multi-masked.


You should because you've got combination skin.


I know. So you put the salicylic mask [crosstalk 00:24:48] on the T-zone.


Yeah.


And then do like a hydrating mask around the cheeks.


Mm-hmm (affirmative).


Okay, I'll try that. Yeah, so what about the blackhead-


The pore strips?


The pore strips.


One of the things that I love to do is to put one of those on my nose. I just forget to do it and then it dries. And then you pull off really slowly, and you just look at it afterwards.


Yes.


Like it's fun.


So satisfying.


Really strictly a nose strip isn't going to be as effective as using an ingredient like salicylic acid on a regular basis. You might get temporary satisfaction of it and see a few blackheads come out and it's fun to do with your friends when you have a sleepover. But in terms of doing that every day, it's not ideal for the skin.


Why is it not ideal for the skin?


Well, you're kind of peeling something off. I just think it's not ideal.


So you would recommend, how often should you be using a salicylic product?


It depends on your concerns. You don't want to go too overboard. I think the radiants is gentle enough that you can use it every couple of nights. I like to mix the radiants and the B-serum from ASAP because I find that that's a gentler combination. But I would say you could probably use it every couple of nights. The ordinary mask, I'd probably say once a week and localize that to the areas where you actually have the concerns. And then the blemish control pads again every couple of days, wherever you think it's needed. But if you do start to experience dryness, you need to pull back.


And can you use tell salicylic acid products with retinol?


I don't recommend it. They're both very full on ingredients. I wouldn't be mixing the two.


So you alternate?


Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some people say you can mix them, I'm not really an advocate for mixing acids with retinol. So that wraps up our blackhead cover. Hannah, you had a lot of questions there.


I know I did it.


I didn't even know you had those prepared.


I know. I think we sometimes put the topic down and I'm like, "I don't have any questions and they just come to me because I do get blackheads."


Okay, well, hopefully that was helpful to all of you as well.


So for the product I didn't know I needed this week, we've actually... we've got a theme.


We've got a theme.


We've got a theme.


We've gone back to themes.


So tell me what your product is.


Okay. I don't shut up about this one either. Anyone who follows me on Instagram or has seen us [crosstalk 00:27:09]-


I also bought it. I actually bought it on-


A lot of people have.


But I bought it online after you told me to, which...


So we're talking about the designer brands, Melodrama Brush Set. This has 10 brushes in it and it's a great starter pack for anybody who just doesn't know what brushes to buy. I find buying individual brushes can be a little bit complex for people that aren't makeup artists or don't have experience in makeup. This, brush set has everything you need. It's got brushes to apply liquid cream, powder, everything that you need to apply and it's got really good eye brushes as well.


Really, the flat brush is so good.


Yes. So it's got the flat brush which allows you to pack on shadows, but then it's got two or three blending brushes as well.


And if you want a beginner's masterclass on using that brush set-


We did one a while ago.


Because I've started using the flat brush within the blending brush, game changer for applying eyeshadow.


Yeah, I know. And most sets I find don't have a good range of eye brushes.


I think what's good about it is if you don't want to splurge on like 20 brushes... or it's 10 brushes. If you don't want to splurge on 10 brushes-


But also it's really cheap and they wash really well as well.


30 bucks.


Yeah, I think so.


How do you wash those ones?


So I do a deep clean with Dr. Bronner's every once in a while. I'm not going to say regularly because I probably should do it more. And then I do a quick clean with the Make Up For Ever Instant Brush Cleanser. And so that leads us into your product you didn't know you needed, Hannah.


So for the product I didn't know I needed, it is the Cinema Secrets Professional Brush Cleaner. So funny story. When I first started working at Adore, I had never washed a brush in my whole life.


I nearly threw up in my mouth.


My brushes stank. They were stinky.


Oh my God. I'm getting a gag reflex.


No, but they smelt like old, off, rotting makeup. And I used to use that on my face and I used to be like, "God they..." And so what I would do is I'd just chuck the brush out and buy new brushes. I actually genuinely did not know you had to wash your... I had no idea. And so I also don't like doing the deep clean of brushes because I find-


It's a drainer.


It's such a drainer.


Yeah.


So it's called the Cinema Secret Professional Brush Cleaner, so it doesn't require any rinsing. It's a quick dry formula. And what I do is I have a spray bottle and so I have my big bottle that I pour into the spray bottle and then I just spray my brushes and then I wipe them down on like a...


It comes in a shitload of sizes. There's like a big jumbo Big Boy-


The Big Boy.


And then there's a little spray bottle so you could buy the Big Boy and the spray bottle and when you run out of the spray bottle you could just fill it up again.


And it's really good, the little spray bottle to take traveling with you. I've become obsessive about cleaning my brushes now.


Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe that's why your skin is also gotten so much better because you're washing your brushes.


Because I'm not like...


Imagine all the bacteria you were putting on your face.


Do you think that contributes to breakouts?


Yeah, it does.


Interesting. No, I think, I don't know that, that would have been the only way [crosstalk 00:30:20]-


I think it could be one factor.


But it could be one factor that I... But I didn't know that you had to clean your brushes.


You really should be cleaning your brushes. If you wear makeup-


How often should you be cleaning your brushes?


Well, if you wear makeup every day, you should be washing them probably once a week.


So I wash them probably once a fortnight because I only do-


That's pretty good for you.


But I only do wear makeup like two times a week.


So that's the thing is that if you're not using them every day and you're not just constantly putting them on your face, you can probably get away with a bit longer. I personally do that because I probably only wear makeup twice a week. But it's okay to do those quick sanitizing in between with like Cinema Secrets and Make Up For Ever. But I like to do a deep clean with proper soap and water, Dr. Bronner's.


But what you can do with this is also... So sometimes I spray it. I do a quick spray for like a touch up every couple of weeks. But what you can do is you can pour it into a little cup.


Yeah.


Put your brush in and then squeeze it out. Everything comes off.


Yeah.


They literally go back to normal.


With the Cinemas Secrets one, and it smells like vanilla as well, so it's actually quite nice.


It smells like alcohol to me.


I think it has a vanilla smell.


Really?


It smells like fridge cleaner to me. Is that bad?


Fridge cleaner?


Yeah.


Smells like fridge cleaner? [crosstalk 00:31:29]. No.


You've obviously never cleaned a fridge. I have had that smell my mom doing it. But when I use that I just get a paper towel and I dip it in the Cinema Secrets and then rub it on a paper towel.


Yeah, that's what I do.


Yeah.


So, that's our little tips for brushes and if you're not cleaning your brushes, guess what, you should be.


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